Where do we draw the trans line....?

It is not a woman's job to sort out services for trans people. They need to do that themselves. As for LangCleg trolling, I think I've heard it all now.

I'm new to this and wanted to watch both sides of the argument.

@LangCleg more to the point the OP hides profile in shame for thier trolling

@LangCleg reported for trolling

the kind of posts hosted on here are hate and fear pushing posts which will cause hate incidents and not only put anyone at risk but also cost the tax payer

Ok, I was going to give you the usual 0/10 for arriving here with the usual hyperbole and haranguing tone, but I'm upping it to a solid 3/10 for cost the tax payer - I'll grant you, that's a new one.

@AngryAttackKittens

Yes, I'm sure that the sort of men who commit actual violence against trans people base their decisions on what a bunch of feminists say on a parenting forum. I mean, obviously.

I think you mean woman who will attack and hate on trans woman based on your scare mongering and hate pushing posts

you do not realise the harm you are causing to innocent woman and you laugh about it as if its a joke

I'm not touching the prostate thing, because that's the silliest attempt at a derail I've seen in a while.

That's what they all say, m'dear!

Yes, I'm sure that the sort of men who commit actual violence against trans people base their decisions on what a bunch of feminists say on a parenting forum. I mean, obviously.

@placemats wow you watched a video on FB and use it to prove your argument

Seriously? Hate crime will be committed because you J4nice posted on here? How are you able to speak out against this draconian imposition on you as a human with thoughts and ideas?

I'm not targeting anyone.

I'm merely voicing an opinion on what I've listened to and what I've read.

Next up.

The book I984 targets insert anyone here

the kind of posts hosted on here are hate and fear pushing posts which will cause hate incidents and not only put anyone at risk but also cost the tax payer, in my life time i have never had any danger using any public facility or any kind and this is the reality crimes are committed by all walks of life of all genders and races, do you fear them? do you fear critisians, social workers, builders, those who clean the bathroom????? there have been times i used the bathroom to find a male cleaner, cleaning in there, so do you make posts about male cleaners???

I saw someone elsewhere make a point about AGP vs BDSM the other day. Something along the lines of - fine in the privacy of your own home or your own community spaces, but I don't see BDSMers rushing about getting laws changed so they can spank each other in the swimming pool changing room or force everyone to address them as Master or Slave because if you don't, they'll either commit suicide or punch you in the face.

I mean, to be fair, some do, but it's greeted by eye rolling and "piss off, mate" rather than handwringing about inclusivity and earnest declarations that no amount of inconvenience is too much (as long as it's women being inconvenienced) if it will make people happy! Which is as it should be, and the normal response to people being unreasonable. The increasingly bizarre demands of TRAs are the exception in not being greeted that way.

I'm not touching the prostate thing, because that's the silliest attempt at a derail I've seen in a while.

I watched the latest Venice Allen video on Facebook.

She talks with two trans women - it was the trans women who invited her to talk. It was very enlightening. The trans women said they were called Terfs because they passed easily.

@placemats these threads are intentionally made to cause distress and anxiety, people living their lives, harming no one, going to the ladies bathroom to pee are not harming anyone and you are targeting them for laughable reasons

You really have to wonder why third spaces are not good enough. I think it's all about passing as a woman. It's basically down to jealousy for those trans women who pass easily.

So distress and anxiety doesn't exist for those women whose spaces, by law, may be erased?

If this topic had been about race it would have been shutdown by now, to be honest I dont know what whats the matter with people & mums net, who hate a group of individuals it is clear as day that this topic and similar ones along with the ones members post on twitter, that this is intended to provoke hate and conflict in public bathrooms and other areas
you all should be ashamed of yourselves as should the CEO of mumsnet for allowing this to carry on

you are causing distress & anxiety to the trans community and this must stop.

reading through this threat you claim to be worried about fake news articles and shout fears of rape which is pathetic to be honest but the kind of people falsly shout rape should also be shame of themselves as should mumsnet for providing a service which targets transgender individuals

there is a fine line between free speech and stiring hate, mums net knows exactly what is going on here and when trouble sparks out in public places its mumsnets fault and they should be held accountable for each incident and the government should bill mumsnet for the cost to the tax payer for such incidents because I for one dont want my tax money to be wasted on the hate incidents that you have caused nor do I want other people to be harmed because of the actions of mumsnet

ReluctantCamper In a physical sense, none at all. It's the idea that their used products could be used to enable this kind of thing. Hence why I've advised to dispose of at home. Give them less reason to go into woman's loos if they won't find what they crave.

Sad that yet again women and girls are the ones having to change their behaviour rather than the perpetrators.