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Where do we draw the trans line....?

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loveyouradvice · 02/06/2018 16:07

Really interesting reading all the Daily Mail comments on latest Man Friday article.... most seemed quite happy with the idea of transsexuals using women's facilities, but no transwomen with dangly bits.

This used to be my position - and may still be so... but I am really concerned the more I read about certain transsexuals (the previously macho late-transitioning type).... those with rampant AGP which leads them to fetishise women's bodies and being in women's spaces in a very mansplainy way.... I feel very squeamish about sharing space with them.... and was deeply shocked by learning that some comb bins for used tampons and pads and wear them to "feel more like a woman" and then celebrate and share this online with other fetishists.....

My suspicion is that for the sake of what one might see as the transsexuals we have long shared space with, out of courtesy and respect, that yes it is okay for them to be in some women's spaces .... But my concern is that with TRAs being so active and the transgender movement steamrollering ahead, that more of the aggressive AGP type are going to feel liberated to come out of the closet and into our spaces....and the balance will shift

I know this is just academic - given that focussing on No Self-Id is our priority - but would be very interested in hearing what other's think as I try to clarify my own position

OP posts:
TerfsUp · 05/06/2018 19:55

What's all this talk about library violence? Libraries should be peaceful places.

Sheesh. Kids nowadays.

hoicks womanly bosom

LangCleg · 05/06/2018 19:52

Would that be considered literary violence?

LOL! Yes. Victorian novels complete with delicate fainting.

spontaneousgiventime · 05/06/2018 19:47

NaturalBornWoman Try cutting out simple carbs and replacing with complex instead. I can't eat pots, bread, white rice pasta or wheat. I can manage a small amount of wholewheat rice though. I can also cope with the carbs in all veg and fruit, but one biscuit/piece of cake etc and that's me poorly. It's just a matter of trial and error I think. I was diagnosed some years ago so have had a long time to work out what's right for me. Good luck Flowers

thebewilderness · 05/06/2018 19:45

You might try soaking the cut up tates in water for an hour or so prior to cooking. That is what they suggested to me when I was on dialysis.

thebewilderness · 05/06/2018 19:42

J4nice is here to remind us that "when the abuser sees his dirty face in the mirror he washes the mirror."

NaturalBornWoman · 05/06/2018 19:41

That's interesting spontaneous I have ankylosing spondylitis and psoriatic arthritis and I try to watch the diet. I'm having a hard time right now so maybe I should lay off the spuds too.

spontaneousgiventime · 05/06/2018 19:35

NaturalBornWoman I had a ton of veg. I can't eat simple carbs due to an autoimmune condition and potato's set me off. Love asparagus and eat loads of it, hate it make your wee smell funny though Grin

NaturalBornWoman · 05/06/2018 19:24

Lovely Spontaneous, we had Jerseys with ours. Delish.

spontaneousgiventime · 05/06/2018 19:12

I had asparagus spears for dinner too. With a lovely manly hunk of lamb steak.

NaturalBornWoman · 05/06/2018 18:45

I'm definitely doing manly things, I just bashed the hell out of two pork steaks with a rolling pin. Then again I also delicately prepped some dainty asparagus spears....Confused maybe I'm non binary?

Sarahconnor1 · 05/06/2018 17:48

Ladies, are you currently doing ladies things? If not why not? Have you baked recently? Is there not laundry to do?

I've just stuck some food in the oven. Not sure if that's lady things though , cos Gordon Ramsey and the rest.

Now I'm just confused.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 05/06/2018 17:11

My apoloigies for the decapitation, LangCleg.

Would that be considered literary violence? Grin

CuriousaboutSamphire · 05/06/2018 17:10

Ah! I wondered where my sal volatile had gone!

Last used when cleaning below the waterline of the loo!

I will need it again in the morning. Be a dear, *langCleg, and pop it back!

LangCleg · 05/06/2018 16:59

Ladies, are you currently doing ladies things? If not why not? Have you baked recently? Is there not laundry to do?

Me, me, me! I emptied the dishwasher!

I'm now feeling faint and having a little lie down on the sofa with my bottle of sal volatile.

Kettlepotblackagain · 05/06/2018 16:49

Been following this thread..but new to the discussion (aside from a previous post that I asked to be deleted because I wrote in haste and anger after being so distressed at J4s posts...)

J4nice - interested to know. Would you be happy for a 'third space' or do you particularly want to use women's spaces?

R0wantrees · 05/06/2018 14:45

It's quiet sad that you had to crash a men's only pool and claim you where male, the kind of stuff feminists are against

This was done by #ManFriday women.
Hannah Clark's speech about its formation and purpose:
manfridayuk.org/2018/05/18/why-manfriday/

I've decided to come to the Hastings gathering in June to protest peacefully outside

This is a WPUK meeting
Link to their website: womansplaceuk.org

spontaneousgiventime · 05/06/2018 14:38

J4nice Omits to tell us anything of substance to be fair.

AngryAttackKittens · 05/06/2018 14:36

Ah, there's the problem, Janice neglected to tell us what manly things the men should be doing.

spontaneousgiventime · 05/06/2018 14:33

AngryAttackKittens are the men not supposed to off doing, well, manly things (whatever they may be).

AngryAttackKittens · 05/06/2018 14:32

Isn't decapitating chickens a little unladylike? Surely one has a man around to take care of such unpleasant things.

spontaneousgiventime · 05/06/2018 14:29

UpstartCrow Hmm that's a good point. Maybe I need to iron the sheets or polish himself's boots ready for the mine tomorrow. Then head off to decapitate a chicken for dinner. Nah.... Stuff it, I'll MN Instead Grin

UpstartCrow · 05/06/2018 14:26

spontaneousgiventime Why are you not sewing for the poor of the parish by the light of a candle stub?

TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole · 05/06/2018 14:25

Like washing dishes and taking the kids to the park

Ahh come on, this has got to be a parody account or something. own up, who decided to troll us?

AngryAttackKittens · 05/06/2018 13:58

Mumsnet described as quiet? First time for everything I suppose.

spontaneousgiventime · 05/06/2018 13:55

My dishes are done and kids all grown up. What womanly thing can I find to do?

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