Where do we draw the trans line....?

Please at least understand what a hate crime is before you make your threats.

I know accurate definitions of things are not a TRAs Forte, but still...

find it unacceptable that someone will force me to use counter-intuitive pronouns. It's psychological control.

I find it abusive gaslighting, as a DV survivor. I find it deeply upsetting to be controlled by the whims of narcissistic and misogynistic males, both then and now.

J4nice
You do realise an actual crime needs to be committed first for anything to be considered a 'hate crime'?

Obviously not.

Ah! SO having a GRC indicates a disability? No...

States what? Or do you think that 'misgendering' only works in one direction. It doesn't, and so, should it become a UK crime, cis and misgendering will be eqally illegal, for the same reasons?

But I have no idea if you meant that as the post of your I quoted / modified was a bit unclear!

At the same time, you cannot legislate belief. You cannot actually change sex, that is a fact, and you cannot threaten people on here with legal action for stating a fact or an opinion.

If you think that people disagreeing politely with you on the web is a threat, you need to reasses and step away from the internet. Opinions are not violence.

This.

@spontaneousgiventime

"J4nice Last time. You're a TIM, your DNA says male. That is all I have to say to you. You will never police my thoughts and views, no doubt you will try, you will not succeed. I have nothing more to say to you"

I am consdiering reporting you to the authorties now, this is ongoing harassment and abusive, Is a hate crime. I am a woman, the governmetn says I am a woman, my birth certification, grc, and ID says I am female

to pick on me for my disabilities is out of over

All they have are bullying tactics and throwing around accusations of "hate crime" with no understanding of what a hate crime actually is.
Then they escalate to threats of physical violence and often actual violence.

No actual logical argument.

With zero sense of irony.

Quite. But hey, shut the fuck up about your rights, women.

Believe me I am reporting and considering my legal options

There are no legal options for a statement like ‘transwomen remain Male.’ It is a statement of fact, devoid of intent. Legal options would rightly be available if someone threatened to harm you, threatened to expose you, threatened to do you some sort of harm. But not for opinions.

Sex is set. It cannot be altered. You can be referred to legally as female as that is your right as a holder of a GRC. You should not face violence, threats, or discrimination as a result of your transsexual status.

At the same time, you cannot legislate belief. You cannot actually change sex, that is a fact, and you cannot threaten people on here with legal action for stating a fact or an opinion.

If you think that people disagreeing politely with you on the web is a threat, you need to reasses and step away from the internet. Opinions are not violence.

As a holder of a GRC, you can be legally referred to as female.
I can state the fact that humans cannot change sex.

Misgendering is transphobia, and it is rife and is not being dealt with

I do not believe trans identified males are women, nor do most people, and we never will. You need to stop trying to control people. You can't control what people think and stopping them expressing it or forcing them to lie is a display of dominance. Especially by male people towards women.

It isn't acceptable for a service to be a deeply unpleasant place for a particular protected characteristic

With zero sense of irony.

J4nice Last time. You're a TIM, your DNA says male. That is all I have to say to you. You will never police my thoughts and views, no doubt you will try, you will not succeed. I have nothing more to say to you.

@CuriousaboutSamphire show me which law states this?

"Why is important to you to silence people?"

Because there is a world of difference between something like Trans Trend which is a campaign site and MN which is either a service open to the public for the purposes of discussing a range of things of interest to women. It isn't acceptable for a service to be a deeply unpleasant place for a particular protected characteristic.

Oh! I guess people cant understand that calling someone cis and calling them cis when they have been told that you don't want to be labelled that way is a crime and you trying to ignore this is just as bad

Do you see that?

I'm not sure what J4nice intended when they decided to post on here. But everytime this happens it just reaffirms my views.

Think I'll join tru (virtually), and chill in the garden.

@spontaneousgiventime I guess people cant understand that calling someone a TIM and calling them a man when they have been told that you hold a GRC, is a crime and you trying to justify this is just as bad

Really, Ophelia Another reason not to go!

But ye gods!

Gibberty 2 things spring to mind... 1. There are trans individual here who woudl disagree with you; 2. You don't have to be here. General rule of thumb: if it hurts stop doing it!

A 3rd thing would be stop trying to silence women!

hate crime Views and opinions are a hate crime now.

sorry for the typo, mumsnet have done nothing it should read

Legal options

OMG. I'm removing my support for reinstating Legal Aid. At this rate, it'll be 2p on income tax!

"They dealt with it. Transphobia is always deleted."

Misgendering is transphobia, and it is rife and is not being dealt with

mumsnet have done thinging about the transphobic posts in which I am told that "I am not a woman and I am a TIM" despite you knowing I hold a GRC, this is a hate crime, I will wait for mumsnet to respond