Where do we draw the trans line....?

@ReluctantCamper see you cant state which law because you know you are wrong

wouldnt you find that offensive? maybe slut or something that rhymes with blunt

I am a expert in human rights and european law so I am just wondering what you will say

and yet unable to properly comprehend a two line post, or show kindness to the comma.

Really, standards have slipped haven't they?

I am a woman and you dont call me that, so lets say I call you bitch or hoe or whore. thats what you are doing to me by calling me a TIM

ts disingenuous to pretend its just about bathrooms. Erasing sex as a class in an attempt to make a minority of people who have dysphoria feel more comfortable isn't going to work out for anyone.

Sex based services and spaces are needed by people from that biological sex. People who aren't from that sex can fight for their own spaces and services, and we would support them.

you can call us women J4nice, since that's what most of us are. we wouldn't find that offensive in the slightest.

@UpstartCrow I am cusrious which human rights are being violated of a woman when I use the bathroom to pee and mind my own business? just curious
I am a expert in human rights and european law so I am just wondering what you will say......

Its also disablist towards people with a learning disability, or dementia to expect them to lie.

YY.

OK, I'm calling piss take now. Nobody's reading comprehension is that bad.

You can take your mask off now J4nice

The rad fems aren't looking in the right place - the real protection for many trans people lies under the protected characteristic of disability. To unpick that is going to be almost impossible :)

True colours there. Nasty gloating about women losing rights. We all see you.

Also the term is reasonable adjustment". That means that a large part of how it is defined is about perception of the issues involved. With a greater regard for women's rights things start to look a bit different as to whether it's proportionate for women to have privacy from male people.

Its also disablist towards people with a learning disability, or dementia to expect them to lie.

I cant think of another case where basic human rights have competed, or when giving rights to one group has erased those for another. It hasn't happened before because this isn't how human rights work.

@Bowlofbabelfish please confirm you can read?. I was abused, called a TIM which is offensive, then called a pig who was stood up by a woman (I am engaged btw) then repeately harassed by being called male

you choose to ignore everything else

if I started abusing you by calling you offensive names that woman find offensive, woud that be ok with you? if so I can think of a few words in the dictonary

Ive never used the word, but it was used in cotext as an illustration re inappropriate language, nothing else.

Also you are aware that there are exemptions for single SEX provision, don't you?

Misgendering someone with gender dysphoria is particularly scummy because it makes their dysphoria worse. It's morally equivalent to making fun of a blind person or someone in a wheelchair.

No it isn't. Just like we're not required to pretend that people who think they are made of glass actually are. Or that people hearing voices telling them that people are out to kill them are right and people are actually trying to kill them.

But I'm glad you admit that it's a mental health condition. I'd just like you to drop the abusive emotional tactics to force people to lie. You do realise this is disablist in itself towards many people with ASD?

No. We are only too aware of things called 'legal fiction' when law is passed in such a manner as to remove a perceived obstacle, or difficulty. There are lots of laws like that.

You are a woman in law, but yet not a woman biologically. It is not illegal to know that or to say that!

You are correct, I have no respect for that law. That doesnt mean I am a criminal.

Female is biological.
A male can not be a female, nor a woman.
I find it disgusting and disrespectful some males refuse to acknowledge this and fight and force their way into womens spaces, crying they are the victims.

Why do you not campaign for third spaces, for transwomen?

I don't know about respect for the law J4nice, have you considered showing respect for the common comma?

poor little beast.

so let me gets this straight, you called me a pig, others called me a TIM and now people are resorting to using the N word

No she used a porcine based analogy.
You are a man who identifies as a woman and is legally referred to as female - that is a statement of fact.

The rest appears to be you attempting to create a scenario in which you are being victimised and abused. Objectively, that is not happening on this thread.

You can of course use the services of a lawyer. They are rather expensive and will probably tell you the same thing.

Women stating that humans cannot change sex is not a hate crime. It is a statement of fact. If you feel very upset by such statements of fact, I would respectfully suggest that you step away from the internet

OMG, I'm weak. I'm outta this thread until J4nice blows themselves inside out or the Police come knocking on my door.

@Sarahconnor1 the use of the N word is also unacceptable, wouldnt you agree?

@Hyppolyta

I draw the line at biological sex.

A few years ago I assumed most transwomen were just normal people, who just wanted a wee in peace.

Then up pop people like J4nice

I happily used female pronouns out of respect.
When someone biologically male screams we must agree theyre female, its abuse, harassment, disabilist, to know the truth, I see gaslighting. It isnt acceptable for us, as a society, to be forced to lie. That isnt respect, its censorship.

I dont care what someone is legally. I want spaces for biological females only, so I can have privacy away from people who display such high levels of male socialisation and agression.

A male can be trans.
A male can not be a woman.

this proves that the feminists who lurk here, have no respect for the law which states that I am are woman, it would not shock me to find that this website is full of criminals who dont abide by the law

J4nice

you are using racial slurs@CuriousaboutSamphirereported

Really! Either you have overplayed your hand or you really don't want women to speak.

Oh! They are BOTH TERFS!

Honestly.

J4nice

If one of us worked out who you were in RL got your number or email address and repeatedly contacted you with "U R a TIM" or whatnot maybe you'd win a case for a harassment crime and hate crime.

The point is none of us are doing that. We are not committing a hate crime by posting on the Internet.

You have no idea what a hate crime is or what harassment is.