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Where do we draw the trans line....?

712 replies

loveyouradvice · 02/06/2018 16:07

Really interesting reading all the Daily Mail comments on latest Man Friday article.... most seemed quite happy with the idea of transsexuals using women's facilities, but no transwomen with dangly bits.

This used to be my position - and may still be so... but I am really concerned the more I read about certain transsexuals (the previously macho late-transitioning type).... those with rampant AGP which leads them to fetishise women's bodies and being in women's spaces in a very mansplainy way.... I feel very squeamish about sharing space with them.... and was deeply shocked by learning that some comb bins for used tampons and pads and wear them to "feel more like a woman" and then celebrate and share this online with other fetishists.....

My suspicion is that for the sake of what one might see as the transsexuals we have long shared space with, out of courtesy and respect, that yes it is okay for them to be in some women's spaces .... But my concern is that with TRAs being so active and the transgender movement steamrollering ahead, that more of the aggressive AGP type are going to feel liberated to come out of the closet and into our spaces....and the balance will shift

I know this is just academic - given that focussing on No Self-Id is our priority - but would be very interested in hearing what other's think as I try to clarify my own position

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TerfsUp · 03/06/2018 18:43

I'm not sure what J4nice intended when they decided to post on here. But everytime this happens it just reaffirms my views.

Yes. The poster's contributions to this thread just push me further to objecting to TRAs and TRA ideology.

TerfsUp · 03/06/2018 18:41

At the same time, you cannot legislate belief. You cannot actually change sex, that is a fact, and you cannot threaten people on here with legal action for stating a fact or an opinion.

If you think that people disagreeing politely with you on the web is a threat, you need to reasses and step away from the internet. Opinions are not violence.

Agreed.

TerfsUp · 03/06/2018 18:40

I am consdiering reporting you to the authorties now, this is ongoing harassment and abusive, Is a hate crime. I am a woman, the governmetn says I am a woman, my birth certification, grc, and ID says I am female

Have another Biscuit.

TerfsUp · 03/06/2018 18:39

Believe me I am reporting and considering my legal options

Biscuit
Bowlofbabelfish · 03/06/2018 18:38

everyone on this forum is an expert.

Isn’t it wonderful? You can ask if anyone is a specialist in late 18th century cat grooming techniques and there’s someone who has written a thesis on it who can answer your exact question. Ditto obstetrics, car repair, military matters, history, geography, stereochemistry. Anything.

Oh wait... you’re being sarcastic...?

Yes of course god forbid that women have careers, or achieve expert status in anything. Silly little women.

What are you an expert in then? Apart from dive bombing for chips?

ReluctantCamper · 03/06/2018 18:38

yeah, no reason to believe PicassosPaintbrush is anyone other than who she says she is.

also, when you @ someone it sends them an email which is considered rude round these parts without good reason.

obviously if you meant to be rude then as you were.

Ereshkigal · 03/06/2018 18:34

everyone on this forum is an expert. My favourite is @PicassosPaintbrush who is both ex military and an expert on pay.

She is though!

TerfsUp · 03/06/2018 18:34

you are causing distress & anxiety to the trans community and this must stop.

Oh, no!

fmsfms · 03/06/2018 18:31

"I am a expert in human rights and european law so I am just wondering what you will say......"

everyone on this forum is an expert. My favourite is @PicassosPaintbrush who is both ex military and an expert on pay.

But considering your ludicrous definition of "hate crime" I find your expertise difficult to believe

Bowlofbabelfish · 03/06/2018 18:29

Shit, did you go to the same school as me?
Grin seriously though, navy knickers... in case anyone saw our sinful, sinful pantsConfused

GeorgeFayne · 03/06/2018 18:23

Can I just send a thank you from the good ol' USA for the entertainment provided here? Sick baby, non-stop nursing (yup, a function of being a woman), but this thread has me cracking up. The garden implements! Love it!

But seriously, given that reading/posting on MN is an entirely optional activity, why does J4nice keep coming back for more if he is feeling so hurt? The line about legal action almost caused me to have a little accident. (Just another lovely consequence of womanhood and childbearing!)

Sarahconnor1 · 03/06/2018 17:58

Bowlofbabelfish

Netball. Navy knickers... oh the horror, in a cold, northern playground. Corned beef legs all round.

Shit, did you go to the same school as me?

TheRollingCrone · 03/06/2018 17:58

Lang the #nodebate did it for me. Not only will women put up, but they'll shut up.
NO.

spontaneousgiventime · 03/06/2018 17:58

If vagina = woman and penis = man, what is person who has a vagina made from a penis?

A TIM.

tinytemper66 · 03/06/2018 17:55

Line is Vagina - woman ; penis - man. Obviously those with gender dysmorphia do not apply to the above.

LangCleg · 03/06/2018 17:55

Except it wasn't touch typing. It was bloody bang-down-very-hard-on-the-keys-of-a-1950's-typwriter.

It so was!

LangCleg · 03/06/2018 17:54

A year ago my view would have been -happy to share female only spaces with post op trans.

This is the thing, isn't it? The TRAs are a gigantic juggernaut of QED.

Women: We're a bit worried about violent male people in our private spaces.

TRA: Fucking bigot TERF, you need a punch. Suck my dick. I'm going to report you to the police for hate crimes.

Women: Like we said...

TransplantsArePlants · 03/06/2018 17:53

Except it wasn't touch typing. It was bloody bang-down-very-hard-on-the-keys-of-a-1950's-typwriter.

No Technical drawing at my school, woodwork or metalwork. Only cookery and needlework. At my Girls' School

LangCleg · 03/06/2018 17:51

Are you me LangCleg. I did exactly the same thing!

Bloody fucking wanking touch typing. I can't even stop myself doing it to this day, and I'm still shit at it!

TransplantsArePlants · 03/06/2018 17:50

Also, so funny that you think we'd object to cunt. It's been reclaimed dontcha know. I'm a cunty old cunt and no mistake

TheRollingCrone · 03/06/2018 17:50

A year ago my view would have been -happy to share female only spaces with post op trans. Now I think trans people need to fight for their own 3rd space. The self Id proposals have only hardened my views, women must hold the line here. We need our own spaces free from men.

TransplantsArePlants · 03/06/2018 17:49

I've got a BAGA level 1 gymnastics certificate. If I recall, it includes Teddy Bear Rolls

TransplantsArePlants · 03/06/2018 17:47

Please don't call me a "hoe" (sic)

Call a spade a spade, please

spontaneousgiventime · 03/06/2018 17:46

Netball. Navy knickers... oh the horror, in a cold, northern playground. Corned beef legs all round.

This was us too until I refused and took up running. I'm also only a shorty so never got the ball.

Truscum Flowers

Yambabe · 03/06/2018 17:42

Hi Janice, you can call me whatever you want. It's just words.

I'm not offended by any of the words you use. Why would I be? You're a stranger to me, your opinion of me means nothing to me.

Call me a bitch or whatever if you like. I know I'm not a bitch. Call yourself a woman if you like, I know you're a transwoman. You've been through a lot to get where you are now, and I really don't understand why you are not proud to be trans. Personally I don't care where you pee, but I do care that you are trying to make me deny reality by insisting that you are a woman.

You are not a man. But not a man does not equal woman.

I want you to be safe, respected and not discriminated against. But not at the expense of my own rights that I have and need because of my biology. Why can't you understand this?