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Where do we draw the trans line....?

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loveyouradvice · 02/06/2018 16:07

Really interesting reading all the Daily Mail comments on latest Man Friday article.... most seemed quite happy with the idea of transsexuals using women's facilities, but no transwomen with dangly bits.

This used to be my position - and may still be so... but I am really concerned the more I read about certain transsexuals (the previously macho late-transitioning type).... those with rampant AGP which leads them to fetishise women's bodies and being in women's spaces in a very mansplainy way.... I feel very squeamish about sharing space with them.... and was deeply shocked by learning that some comb bins for used tampons and pads and wear them to "feel more like a woman" and then celebrate and share this online with other fetishists.....

My suspicion is that for the sake of what one might see as the transsexuals we have long shared space with, out of courtesy and respect, that yes it is okay for them to be in some women's spaces .... But my concern is that with TRAs being so active and the transgender movement steamrollering ahead, that more of the aggressive AGP type are going to feel liberated to come out of the closet and into our spaces....and the balance will shift

I know this is just academic - given that focussing on No Self-Id is our priority - but would be very interested in hearing what other's think as I try to clarify my own position

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J4nice · 04/06/2018 15:59

They can delete the posts you made but they can't delete the pdfs that I have proving the abuse I've received on here and continue to receive

spontaneousgiventime · 04/06/2018 15:58

Please stop or face the legal consequences of your actions

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

JuzzaL · 04/06/2018 15:58

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

GibbertyFlibbert · 04/06/2018 15:57

Talk guidelines = no personal attacks

Misgendering someone is a personal attack so reported

J4nice · 04/06/2018 15:57

@JuzzaL No your use of gender related insults is disgusting I find T.I.M offensive as do other individuals yet you all carry on such conduct

A malicious communication is a message or communication that was intended to cause distress or upset, that is what you are doing by calling me a TIM and calling me a man

Please stop or face the legal consequences of your actions

Sarahconnor1 · 04/06/2018 15:57

It's all about J4nice isn't it. MNHQ are responding to reports on this very thread this afternoon. One of your post was deleted because of what you implied I had said. Anything to say about my offence and distress caused by that post. Or does that not count?

spontaneousgiventime · 04/06/2018 15:55

CuriousaboutSamphire Yeah, I'm just reporting now. You can't argue with stupid.

GibbertyFlibbert · 04/06/2018 15:53

"An example, under law you could be refused a job as a rape counsellor to females, even if you have a GRC, because you are not female"

Actually not true. There is no doubt about sex. Rather there is a recognition that circumstances matter and that rape centres occasionally need a certain amount of discretion based on appearance. That is very different

spontaneousgiventime · 04/06/2018 15:53

J4nice EXCELLENT Hopefully they will send me a copy and I'll see it for the first time.

J4nice · 04/06/2018 15:53

@spontaneousgiventime saying that I make the noises of a PIG can't be interpreted any other way and you falsely claim this was because a woman had stood me up which again is offensive and degrading

JuzzaL · 04/06/2018 15:52

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 04/06/2018 15:52

spontaneous I have pointed that out to MNHQ! Smile

CuriousaboutSamphire · 04/06/2018 15:51

Let's not return to the racial insults again... I might have to get deleted again Smile

And you know you won't get any of us to say you are right! We know what a Legal Fiction is, we know why they exist. You have paperwork which gives you access to additional rights and protections. That piece of paper does not change your genes, you biology remains male!

When you finally understand that knowing that and saying it out loud is not a crime here in the UK, is only ever punished by an out of control algorithm on Twitter, you might realise that we won't stop saying it, believing it and posting it. Then you might choose another forum to bother for a while.

Can I suggest one full of men... they won't be as polite as us, but you might see what real hate speech is! Then you can come back and apologise to us!

J4nice · 04/06/2018 15:51

@spontaneousgiventime I have not read it wrong I have a copy if it in pdf format right here alpbf with the 17 or so other pages for my MP to see

J4nice · 04/06/2018 15:49

@JuzzaL Yes you could because if you claim I'm not a woman then neither are non of you

spontaneousgiventime · 04/06/2018 15:49

CuriousaboutSamphire Of course I didn't, the post I've re-posted up-thread is the one J4nice is referencing. They have read it wrongly and the victim mentality is now in full swing to hide the fact. I'm not putting up with it.

J4nice · 04/06/2018 15:46

@JuzzaL I am a woman and to keep misgendering me when I've told you of the impact of this and using the word TIM is down right abusive and hateful and as bad as using racial insults

JuzzaL · 04/06/2018 15:46

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 04/06/2018 15:45

You can't have, they were busy with the deletions around that time, I got zubbed just after your non accusation. They'd have had the report and read your post and gone meh !

spontaneousgiventime · 04/06/2018 15:44

@MNHQ Would you please confirm or deny there was a post made by me calling J4nice a pig please. Thank you.

J4nice · 04/06/2018 15:44

@spontaneousgiventime your comments from the get go have been offensive and are chasing distress and anxiety

There is no justification for your last post other than it was intdended to cause me upset like your pig insult

J4nice · 04/06/2018 15:42

@spontaneousgiventime I have gone through the tread and you did compare me to a PIG which is offensive

J4nice · 04/06/2018 15:41

@JuzzaL again the law states that everyone is equal before the law

Everyone means everyone you obviously don't know how to research the law

Sarahconnor1 · 04/06/2018 15:40

Sorry Gibberty, my last post was in reference to J4nice not you, don't want any confusion.

spontaneousgiventime · 04/06/2018 15:40

J4nice I would like to ask, why can't I have a GRC or transition into a woman?

Oh yeah, because I am a woman.