Where do we draw the trans line....?

I recommend Lord of the Flies... I had forgotten about it until recently.
(Wiki)
*At an allegorical level, the central theme is the conflicting human impulses toward civilisation and social organisation—living by rules, peacefully and in harmony—and toward the will to power. Themes include the tension between groupthink and individuality, between rational and emotional reactions, and between morality and immorality. How these play out, and how different people feel the influences of these form a major subtext of Lord of the Flies"

Not at school, but I’m a huge fan of the golden age sci fi stuff in general, so have loads of Bradbury’s stuff.

It’s a frightening book. Lots of work from that time and on had a similar rather dystopian view of how technology might affect society. The lack of slow critical thought, deep understanding etc is worrying to me. I suppose we were the last generation who grew up without technology.

Did anybody else read Fahrenheit 451 at school?

& of course the idea of burning books (or the modern equivalent) is a big issue.

I'm not sure if its a specific mindset with Eng Lit, but when I read, I 'm doing so to understand things that may be relevent better rather than to prove a point of view. May have a think about that!

The Babelfish method of referencing is half remembered read stuff augmented by google and an arc of papers on the floor around where I’m sitting...

Clearly I need to up my game, tips gratefully received rowan you are a veritable mine of info! :)

TBH it feels like writing an undergraduate English literature essay. I did a lot of these a few years ago. I used to have a pile of books and papers on the floor in those days. Only difference is that with the internet, the floor is clear!

Now I'm a bit disappointed. Don't get me wrong your ability to reference articles, threads etc is brilliant but I was hoping for a mind palace or at least index cards.

Sarahconnor1 Neither I'm afraid & those who know me will find both suggestions amusing

I've got a Times subscription & a collection of open-access links to their gender-critical articles. If anybody ever needs one, PM me.

R0wantrees Do you have a database of all this stuff or just an excellent memory (I'm imagining a mind palace of some sort).

Omg no way do they wear used tampons and pads ?? Why oh why ? That has turned my stomach ! Creepy as fck

Do not google it, I warn you. You do not want to know.

Omg no way do they wear used tampons and pads ?? Why oh why ? That has turned my stomach ! Creepy as fck

Thirded!
I think I have a crush on Rowan's brain

Thank you both, I have some time at the moment. We all do what we can

I've said it before you are amazing and a total asset to FWR for this Rowan.

Seconded. You're tireless.

I've said it before you are amazing and a total asset to FWR for this Rowan

Happy to try to to help if I can .

Honestly if I ever needed a 'remember that case where...' I would be on MN with a Rowan klaxon straight away. 👏🏻

I do like a quote and reference though.

Its just c&p!

Rowan you are a one-woman wiki

it was the men who called the police because they objected to the presence of other-sex bodies in their single sex space

(extract re #ManFriday & Hampstead Heath Pools)
"We're clearly not men, but we've just been allowed in by Hampstead's own policy,' Mrs Desir said. 'Women's safeguarding has gone out the window.'

Hannah Clarke, 39, who also attended the protest yesterday, said: 'I would hate to think that I had upset anybody here today, but this is the point of a protest. We want to keep single-sex places single-sex and that was the aim of today. And clearly it's not just women that want them to stay single-sex, is it?'

There was widespread anger among the male swimmers at the pond. Peter John, 81, said he thought the invasion by the women was 'ridiculous' and urged the them to use the pond for female swimmers."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5780623/Female-protesters-break-men-lido-leap-pool.html

I wonder why it's only us Northern girls that had to wear navy knickers? I call that discrimination.

I wore navy knickers & a little navy pleated skirt in Essex, but I liked hockey better than netball.

you would think feminists I stress of protesting at a pool and claiming they are male and tying up police resources and just looking silly that they would have put their energy in to far less ironic things

I don’t think it was the feminists who decided to tie up police time, it was the men who called the police because they objected to the presence of other-sex bodies in their single sex space. And rightly so. Sadly the same situation in reverse was not taken anywhere near as seriously, hence the stunt, which has served its purpose well and brought the issue to the attention on the public - we love you ManFriday!

As for your inflammatory washing up/taking kids to the park comment, you've shown your hand. We see you.