Words have meaning, definitions are important.

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Actually I partially agree with Wakame. I think that the truly gender dysphoric might be better named as sex dysphoric, as it seems to be a type of body dysmorphia where the sufferer has issues with their physical body?

Might be better to stick with transexual as well as transgender too, as they seem to be different things?

It is important to understand this when discussing trans issues because the term "gender identity" for example is a bit of a misnomer and the actual meaning is closer to "sex identity".

You just said "gender" was a synonym for sex. Make your mind up. There is no "sex identity". A male can have no way of knowing that he feels like a female feels when all he is going on is his own perception. He has no first hand experience.

"Gender" is also a synonym for "sex" as you can see in the OED:

en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/gender

With example sentences like: ‘Additionally, there were no differences between genders in weekday or weekend physical activity.’

It is important to understand this when discussing trans issues because the term "gender identity" for example is a bit of a misnomer and the actual meaning is closer to "sex identity". Similarly, "gender dysphoria" is not a discomfort with gender roles and stereotypes, it is a discomfort with the sex you were assigned at birth.

Oxford School Dictionary 1996

The definitely of "sex" is broadly the same, but the definition of gender has completely changed between 1996 - 2011

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Oxford Primary Dictionary 2012

Does anyone have a later edition that they could refer to?

Oxford Primary Dictionary 2011

If we had another word for our biological sex they would want that too.

Trans language hasn't quite fully developed yet though.

If transwomen are women, then calling transwomen transwomen is misgendering or transphobic (according to trans logic).

Following the same logic, if transmen are male and a transwoman is assigned male at birth does that mean that the transwoman is/was a transman.

They really need to get their own words to describe their various conditions, rather that trying to appropriate male and female into their new and developing vocabulary.

Meanwhile, there are female penises and male vaginas, female chests and male breasts, children who are being forced into boxes and adults without a clue on how to speak any more.

It's like some convoluted flow chart that goes round in circles and those that are saying, 'hey, come on it's really simple, we already have words for all those things and everyone knows what they mean' are being shut down, ostracised, verbally abused and even arrested!

There is no word now in trans world to describe 'adult human of the sex that produces motile gametes'. That's not evolution. That's deliberate manipulation and erasure.

Language evolves.

When new meanings are attached to existing words, the meaning of that word changes.

It's happening already. It's commonplace. People have been having 'gender reveal' events for years. What they really mean is disclosing the sex of the baby.

Forms to fill out ask for gender instead of sex.

Gender is replacing the word sex and that would be ok except it's also changing the meaning of the word sex.

Maybe we just need a new word for biological sex.

Thanks, flowers.

Yes I meant I said she

You'd have to say she to get deleted surely

Where x=He

Ah yes, Pratchet, I said "Is x saying that sex is the same as gender"

I agree with NotTerf's etymology.

I guess we will look into printed dictionaries of the future and see the additional (perhaps only) definition of 'woman' to "anyone who says they feel like one". And "adult human female" will either become the second definition, or disappear entirely.

And when that happens, the TRAs will be standing around high-fiving at our erasure (at their hands).

It sucks to be in the class of ova-producing humans, whatever we are called now...

Most producers of word salad are in dire desperate need of flowersonthepiano editing skills.

I correctly sexed Stephen Whittle and suggested that someone may have encountered mean cool girls at school who were unkind to someone.

I remember one of my posts said "Are they saying sex is the same as gender?" (approx)
why was that deleted?

god what did we say Pratchet. I swear it was innocent?

Yes, it's there if you scroll down. It was put up by Sweary's 'opponent' in the debate. (Sorry for the late reply, been out)