Trans Kids Are Less Conservative About Gender Roles Than Cis Kids

Or is it the same as having body dysmorphia or not having body dysmorphia? Ie I have a gender identity in line with my sex if I don't have body dysmorphia.

Can humans change sex?

If not what is it?

Ok so gender identity is the word girl and no more? Is that right?

Given that young, gender non-conforming children are the ones being identified as trans, this may not indicate what they think it does. To properly do this you would need some way of objectively defining a child as trans in a way that didn't depend on gender conformity. And at 6 years old that simply does not exist.

Hi Wakame. Am I understanding you correctly then that as a child you longed for a female body instead of a male one and to use the word girl about yourself instead of boy? In which case gender roles and gender identity didn't come into it for you at all? That's really interesting.

Thats how it sounds to me. But this is how it always tends to come across from transsexual people. 'Transgender' is an entirely different kettle of fish, and seems all about the stereotypes rather than discomfort with ones sexed body.

The problem is that your question doesn't really make sense because no one is 100% male or female. You can however change the degree of physical masculinity of femininity you have.

Eh? Masculinity or femininity has bugger all to do with being male or female. Noone is 100% male or female indeed...I would agree that noone (or next to noone, maybe a couple of people exist) is 100% masculine or feminine though, which is why 'cis' is utter nonsense.

The highly sexualised environment they go through puberty in is another possible cause. I can well see how rejection of changes to be a mature female is a rejection of the oversexualised landscape they find themselves in. And I have a lot of sympathy for that.

That's not really surprising though is it? The feminist objection to extremist gender ideology is against the idea that gender non conforming kids should be encouraged to think they need to live as though they actually are the opposite sex just because they don't conform to imposed cultural gender role norms.

Quite.

And for a 6 year old to be 'cis' they would have to be a complete girly girl, always in princess dresses and so on. Given anyone who is NOT stereotypically 100% feminine/masculine is not cis apparently.

Its just such nonsense.

Absolutely Rogue. It is entirely possible that the under diagnosis of asd in girls is one reason why the number of young ftm trans teens so far outweigh mtf

Yes. Why on earth would you support someone to try to be something they aren't and can't ever be? Especially when it's time- consuming, harmful to health and very expensive.

How would such a young child long for pa female body though?

I have seen a video of a child saying “I knew I was really a girl because I like dolls” and can understand how a child migh5 think that way.
But to long for a girl”s body?

You misunderstand - being trans is primarily about your body.

This sounds very much like Body Integrity Identity Disorder (BIID).

Sufferers from BIID experience a mismatch between their physically healthy body and the body with which they identify. They identify as disabled. They often desire a specific amputation to achieve the disabled body they want: for example, the left leg below the knee. The analogy with Gender Identity Disorder is clear: someone with Gender Identity Disorder experiences a mismatch of some kind between their chromosomal and genital sex and the sex they identify with.

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/features/body-integrity-identity-disorder-the-condition-where-sufferers-want-to-be-disabled-a6680306.html

Yes. And why is ASD underdiagnosed in females?

Hi Rogue. This is a particular interest of mine and I cannot for the life of me understand why it is not the subject of urgent and extensive research.

mirandayardley.com/en/17-signs-i-am-an-autogynephile-and-didnt-know-it/

OP I'm delighted you don't waste your time making yourself overly sexualised. I wish 'millions of cis' women wouldn't either. It's harmful.

You don't address the high incidence of ASD in ftm transmales. I suspect this is because you don't care about them. Or about people who have ASD.

My impression of transwomen in public is that they don't seem to care about much except themselves. But then I do have ASD so I might have got that wrong.

But in Wakame's case it seems to be that it was just the word 'girl' and a particular body image.

The children often think the norms belong fully to their sex and that they were born that way. Often children have a stronger and more simplistic sense of gender identity than adults because it is the stage when gender identity is actively being developed as part of the formation of identity as a whole and it is part of how they differentiate themselves from others. Obviously this varies a lot depending on culture.

Well usually it is a series of norms that are associated with a particular sex that boys and girls either internalize as belonging correctly to them or they don't. Either way they are not usually able to escape them if they wish to, since most of the society they are growing up in holds tightly to them.

What is gender? What is gender from a child's point of view?

I've spent the day with two TIMs in different situations. They didn't meet I'd know one another and I didn't know them. I have nothing else to say about this very dull experience other than they didn't pass (obviously) and we have no shared experiences. They are transwomen and I am a woman. We both wear mascara. That's pretty much it.

Hi Wakame. Am I understanding you correctly then that as a child you longed for a female body instead of a male one and to use the word girl about yourself instead of boy? In which case gender roles and gender identity didn't come into it for you at all? That's really interesting.