General anger and resentment towards men

I often find it hard not to have resentment towards all men. Yes I know that NAMALT and such, but it seems to be so many of them that its depressing as fuck. And yes, not one man I know in real life (some on the internet claim to, but on the net you can claim anything) are aware of their male privilege and many seem to think that women are treat better than men in near all aspects of life. whenever I discuss rape stats or anything, the conversation changes to how divorce courts are apparently biased against men and such. Hell even a discussion among friends about FGM was derailed into how awful it is for male circumcision to happen. And while I do personally agree that noone should chop healthy parts from their child, male circumcision is just not comparable to FGM at all and it really really annoyed me that thats what the topic ended up being. But its often 'what about poor men' whenever a man is involved in the conversation. Depressing

To the OP, please consider what I've written.

The absolute arrogance and lack of self-awareness of thinking coming in here and displaying many of the behaviours that cause women to be completely exhausted with men as a group will change the OP’s mind.

"Just remember nearly all men would have been raised by a women, we are not doing a very good job"

Women do not raise their son's to be rapists, wife beaters and murderers. We are not responsible for men!

I’m not sure that is going to ameliorate the OP’s view of men. The way men perceive us (see user’s post above) to be is part of the problem.

The point is that the OP will come out with a different set of biases. Well, after a month, it will be more an adjustment than any kind of revolution. But the point is that the OP will be aware of how easily those we surround ourselves with can change how we view things. It's a valuable lesson.

I read oldman as making a sensible point, although perhaps not in a way people can relate to?

Thank you. Anyway, I'm exiting this thread completely now. I've made my point sufficiently. I know what counter-arguments are coming. I see nothing productive coming of it. To the OP, please consider what I've written. It's a terrible shame if you're starting to see nearly half the people in the world negatively, including your loved ones.

Brickie then. Them pile stuff of bricks are heavy.

Sorry - there's no edit feature. I didn't mean to put "it's also incorrect" in there. That was related to something I edited out. Please disregard that.

Get back to us with your everything-is-subjective nonsense when women are responsible for 90+ % of violent and sexual crime and are killing their male partners at a rate of two a week in England and Wales alone.

90% of violent crime sounds horrifying (it's also incorrect). But then when the perpetrators are less than 0.5% of the population and you find a more accurate way of saying it is 0.4% of men have committed a violent crime and 0.05% of women have, you have to ask yourself whether it is prejudicial to talk in such terms and tar 99.5% of men with it. Human beings, typically, are very bad at interpreting statistics. Throw a figure that sounds high like 90% and it will get flagged as meaningful. Which it might be - but only if you understand what contexts to use it in and which to not.

I could say you're 84% more likely to be a victim of violent crime if you're male (source:ONS). And the chance of it being violence with injury is about 50% higher, too. You say women "killed at two per week by male partners". Meanwhile over on a different forum, someone is pointing out that two men are murdered in this country for every woman. Our biases are informed by the information we are presented with. Hang out in just one place with a specific focus, your perceptions of the out group will change. Again - this is how our brains work. You can only counter it if you first acknowledge it. You need balanced input if you want balanced views. And logically it's undeniable that a sub-group made up overwhelmingly of women focused heavily on problems caused by men is not a place for balanced input. You surely aren't pretending otherwise therefore it's inescapable that you're going to get a biased impression.

This is true of any such group.

We know that Women are weaker than men, but that doesn't mean that women should not be allowed to fight in the army,..if they are strong enough they should be allowed to do the same as men.

Although obviously it would be preferable to not need an army in the first place. Which is kind of the point.

I do find a particular subset of women just as difficult as men

Those priveliged women that can't understand that not every woman is privy to the same choices as they were. Who blame women's behaviour, not men's, for the vulnerable position
they are in.

This to me is true handmaiden territory.

I just roll my eyes, honestly, and hope they don't dislocate something patting themselves on the back all the time. And I say this as a woman who's always been pretty much on the same level as her husband economically, and not his maid.

I read oldman as making a sensible point, although perhaps not in a way people can relate to?

We do learn bad quicker than good. It's good for survival. In a community focussed on supporting a group, you will see the worst of another group. And you will then be alert and pick that up more in real life. We actually make poor judgements because we rely on our lazy quick brain not the thinking part.

Harvard university, unconscious bias is a great web site for helping you explore your own brain

Even though men are as a group more violent than women and as a group sterotype women, there are lots of good men out there. And those men have had to fight agaisnt their socialisation to become good.

Stereotyping men doesn't help even if the class characteristics are factual. We know that Women are weaker than men, but that doesn't mean that women should not be allowed to fight in the army,..if they are strong enough they should be allowed to do the same as men.

I used to get angry but these days not so much. For me, the experience of talking to other women about feminism, even if they don't agree with me, is really helpful.
And the more I see women working with/for other women, the more hopeful I feel. I also tend to ignore men talking about women or feminism because they almost never ask interesting or relevant questions.

So that's what works for me. But I think I'm particularly lucky because my personal circumstances allow for this approach.

If you're worried about how you've started to see men, spend a month hanging out in predominantly male forums, instead.

I’m not sure that is going to ameliorate the OP’s view of men. The way men perceive us (see user’s post above) to be is part of the problem.

Is that where you have headed over from then ?

A men's rights forum ?

Figures.

Oldman it’s interesting that the other “outgroups” you describe are minorities.

My very first example of three was women. Who are more than 50% of the population. My third example was non-Trans people who are 99.4% of the population.

I find not having men in my life makes it much easier. Sometimes I need one - plumber, taxi driver etc. I'm nice to them, they're paid, everyone's happy. I have no desire to have a man in my life other than that.

If women had that much influence then our children would have our accent, not those of their peers.

Come on we don’t help ourselves, women in porn and sexy photos etc, making us look like available sex objects, stay at home trophy wives, with nothing to do all day, but to make themselves look glamorous, the woman who go for ugly man only because they are rich, the damsel in distress at the road side because she can’t change or know were the spare tyre is. The women that need help around the house because they can’t do diy or something is to heavy to lift, etc etc
Just remember nearly all men would have been raised by a women, we are not doing a very good job

These men that sidle onto these threads inevitably show their agenda

We see you

oldman there’s so much silly about your post I don’t have the energy to unpack it all, but just to focus on one particularly glaring bit of foolishness - FGM and forced marriages are both about pleasing men so the problem there is not with Muslims but with men.

I do broadly agree actually that you can whip yourself up into a frenzy about any group if you spend a lot of time reading about them online. But in the case of men the stats really do back up the fact that they are at the root of a lot of problems that women, and society in general, otherwise wouldn’t face.

Get back to us with your everything-is-subjective nonsense when women are responsible for 90+ % of violent and sexual crime and are killing their male partners at a rate of two a week in England and Wales alone.

My mother was from an era well before feminism, but she remarked casually to me that 'very few women over forty like men', and I think that's true :(

Oldman it’s interesting that the other “outgroups” you describe are minorities. So those who “other” them can manage to go through their lives without being impacted too much.
Men are literally in every aspect of our lives so if, like the OP, you do have a resentment towards them it’s going to be harder to handle because you have to keep renegotiating in your mind the line between men as a class and men as individuals. IYSWIM.

And I don’t think MRAs are wringing their hands over their dislike of women. Plus, that dislike of women manifests itself in actual physical ways, from standard DV, to serial killers preferring female victims, from family annihilation to Incels targeting women. The hatred some men have towards women is not merely an intellectual discussion on the Internet but a reality that affects women daily, whether they’re on a bus in New Delhi or being called “slut” as they walk down a London street.

When women feel the same towards men they don’t tend to target them, but just keep out of their way.

Actually I realised an anger and resentment before the internet was invented! Books are dangerous too because they spread ideas and knowledge. Maybe we should burn them?

Oh it's great. Men aren't the problem, says @OldmanOfTheWeb3, it's the 'orrible feminists you've been hanging out with who've turned you against men!

Check out the bloke telling us what we should be getting our knickers in a twist about