No True Transwoman - transadvocates question whether TW is 'genuine' after said TW sexually harasses women in homeless shelter

you obviously aren't familiar with safeguarding - you can't put lockable doors in where there is a high risk of harm such as attack or suicide.

You can use ligature resistant doors and doors that can be unlocked easily by staff from the outside. This particular charity seems to have used curtains to protect privacy, which might be working well now - you have no idea if it isn't. Even homeless people in a shelter are allowed privacy. I assumed they weren't all on 24hr suicide watch.

I also explicitly referred to UK where the law is different and such person wouldn't have been put in the showers at the same time. In fact I don't know why the US charity had to put them in at the same time. Maybe this will highlight their strange laws.

I know it's not what you said. I extrapolated both what I think you meant and the logical conclusion of transactivist policies like those of Swim England.

Lol extrapolated. Or did you exaggerate what I wrote to try and discredit me? Like usual.

US girl's comment on her school and courtcase:
'Girls and boys shouldn't do everything together | Opinion'

"I don’t have a problem sharing a bathroom with someone who identifies as transgender — provided they are the same sex I am. I do have trouble with a policy that says anyone who’s in an opposite-sex mood today can stroll in and observe me in my intimate moments — and with school officials who value the feelings of a few students more than the dignity and privacy of all those in their care.

It’s my hope that the judges who may hear our case going forward will understand that better than our school administrators have — and take more seriously their responsibility to protect girls’privacy where it should be most protected: in the girls’ room.

Alexis Lightcap is a student at Boyertown Area Senior High School and a plaintiff in the lawsuit Doe v. Boyertown Area School District."

www.philly.com/philly/opinion/commentary/boyertown-transgender-bathroom-lgbtq-gender-identiy-philadelphia-suburbs-20180524.html

Even if he’d behaved impeccably there is no way most women would feel comfortable showering in front of a male stranger.

Even SMG admits this.

We don't have to come up with ideas about how to solve the problem of males abused by males. It's a male problem.

No, to entering women's spaces. Accept that, and women might come up with suggestions of how to campaign for your own spaces, SMG.

Abusers being 'not true trans' is kind of the point.

O & of course resources... any ideas how well-staffed this type of homeless charity is likely to be?

it is on a case by case judgement. They don't have to exclude - only if they feel it would have a significant impact if they didn't.

"Naomi House bills itself as a gentle haven of healing and a safe haven for single, homeless women"

Any ideas how an independant homeless charity is likely to be better able to assess risk on a 'case by case' basis than, for example those in the UK female prison estates? Prisons obviously have access to pre-sentence reports and on going risk assesments etc. They will also have the considerable more time available, something that emergency homeless services do not of course.

I'd like to attend that training. I'm sure it would be very enlightening.....

YY. Didn't someone say Oger was claiming to be advising the UK government? Was that green ink letters to Theresa May, or genuinely acting in some kind of advisory capacity?

Ogre likes to affect an air of importance. He IS the VP of the local National Democratic Party in his area (which speaks terribly of them, by the way). But he's just a string of disasters. He left his wife and children, having stolen money from his wife which he has been ordered to pay back but hasn't. He is being sued by the local Indian tribe because he rented offices on their land and then didn't pay the rent. He's set up a "foundation" which many suspect is just a way to accept money without the courts immediately giving it to his ex-wife. I don't normally go into personal histories of people I disagree with but in Oger's case I'll make an exception. A blight on society.

This Ogler? This person quite clearly doesn't care less about women.

That's me in those tweets. The thread was pretty long and his statements were exploded over and over like an egg in a microwave. He blocked me later on so he could start making the same lies over again without being called on it.

People who make claims about how refuges, homeless shelters and prisons will use the usual risk assesments etc, demonstrate very little awareness/experience of how safeguarding and risk assesments work.

vo·yeur·ism
vwäˈərizəm/Submit
noun
the practice of gaining sexual pleasure from watching others when they are naked or engaged in sexual activity.

enjoyment from seeing the pain or distress of others.

Yup. Totally identifiable.

Even if he’d behaved impeccably there is no way most women would feel comfortable showering in front of a male stranger.

My point is, I was wondering if the shelter would act differently if the perpetrator was biologically female, would there be extra supervision? Would she be banned from the shelter all together?

Impossible to say, really. However, it's California and TRAs are sufficiently organized and motivated to make life Hell for anyone who appears to discriminate. That alone might provide disincentive to act. They could very well be aware of the case of Vancouver Rape Relief (which I referred to in the tweets I posted) where they lost $100,000 just defending themselves against the lawsuit. And that wasn't even about providing service!

I know a transwoman who got herself on the board of a local refuge. Why? This can only be a control/power thing. Same person was subsequently arrested for an alleged physical assault against a child in their family.

This person was always a 'victim' of everything.

I don't know how typical this is but the whole thing made me very uncomfortable.

Btw I actually had a very interesting conversation with my MSP who thought that the acts of voyeurism & indecent exposure would be almost impossible to prosecute on in a mixed sex changing space....

I agree with them. It's a push to make them obsolete.

Supermatch has repeatedly demonstrated that they don't have a clue or care about safeguarding.

sarah
Prima facie it sounds like the transwoman is committing the offence of voyeurism. They should call the police.

What if their first illegal act was rape? Is that ok as they can call the police?

Btw I actually had a very interesting conversation with my MSP who thought that the acts of voyeurism & indecent exposure would be almost impossible to prosecute on in a mixed sex changing space....

SupermatchGame you obviously aren't familiar with safeguarding - you can't put lockable doors in where there is a high risk of harm such as attack or suicide.

If shower curtains are not always permitted perhaps we can smuggle them in baked in a cake?

where some women wouldn't necessarily want to exclude such a trans woman

And what if some women did and others didn't?

Lockable doors would be better though.
I normally ignore your comments, but accidentally read one.
How about excluding all people with penises? Radical concept for sure!
Your fake concern is, well fake.

No that isn't what I said (or meant).

I know it's not what you said. I extrapolated both what I think you meant and the logical conclusion of transactivist policies like those of Swim England.

I am so comforted by the shower curtains though. That will surely solve everything!

Not everything, you exaggerate. It would help solve some of it for people who didn't want to shower in front of others - including others of the same sex. Lockable doors would be better though.

Well put, LaSqrrl.