No True Transwoman - transadvocates question whether TW is 'genuine' after said TW sexually harasses women in homeless shelter

And where they are legally female but not had surgery then there will be some female spaces that they could legitimately enter (toilets, some refuges with single room provision) and some that that it wouldn't (open changing rooms and showers).

It's got absolutely nothing to do with whether they have a GRC either. Stonewall penned Swim England guidelines called for women unhappy with male bodied people in changing rooms to be "educated." So they are pushing the idea that women have to suck it up. We see you.

There are four ways in which the meaning of words is defined:
•Historical Usage.
•Current Usage.
•Etymology
•Dictionaries

You can give different weightings to each of these depending on circumstances, but historically, woman has meant biologically female, currently the huge majority of the world consider woman to mean biologically female. Etymologically, woman means biologically female. In dictionaries, woman means biologically female.

The attempt to state it means other than biologically female is an attempt to redefine the meaning for political purpose. George Orwell wrote an entire book about such attempts control of language.

So does that mean men who have had vasectomies are actually women? - you know, because they don't produce gametes.

Or is it just women who have to submit to this Alice in Wonderland defining of words?

SMG is pretending to be reasonable while having no case to make and an excessive superiority complex.

Huh, Supermatch's authoritarianism is really escalating.

Meanwhile, away from the internet bubble, 99.999% (actually more but a whole page of extra 9s would be messy) of the world's population define male as "penis, Y chromosome, can potentially make sperm" and female as "vagina, XX chromosomes, can potentially make eggs", and they also define man as "male adult" and woman as "female adult". No matter how much TRAs wish it was otherwise.

My inlaws all grew up entirely outside the Anglosphere and talking to them about this stuff is illustrative. Like most people they'll try to be polite and so won't run up to trans people all "oy you're a bloke/lady!"*, but in terms of what they understand man and woman to mean? Exactly what everyone else thinks those words mean. Even in cultures that have a traditional third category for effeminate gay men.

*(No guarantees for little kids who don't understand yet why other people expect them to lie about what they see.)

And yes obviously if there is a medical issues it's ausually possible to tell what sex they are by working out what gametes they would have made if they could have.

And I'm not including transexuals in this. They have a mental disorder to do with genital dysphoria. It's all these people saying they are women when they're not.
It's nuts. It's doing my head in.

Autocorrect: sexual = sex

that is where your boundaries stop

Oh really? When you cannot define man, or male, you think you have the right to define MY boundaries? I think not SMG.

Transactivists like you exploited women's kindness towards dysphoric men. This is why you now find us saying NO to all. You have only yourselves to blame.

How unbelievably ignorant and insulting you are to say that if you are infertile, your sexual is indeterminate.

Actually trying to get it enshrined in law that they should be treated as egg holders when they haven't got an ovum between them. It's mental.

SupermatchGame You've misunderstood what Margaret Atwood was saying in that article in a way that's actually quite ironic.
She isnt talking about gender critical feminists or womens reaction. She's talking about men in power, and authoritarianism.

Why are people so dense as to think reproductive biology is unimportant? It is not an added extra tone the existence of the human race, because, without it, none of us would be here. And it can only be successfully achieved by a male and a female gamete. What the hell is the point of posing as an egg holder? It's crazy and I'm sick of it.

SMG: you are not in a position to ask people to define sex. You really aren't.

I just get more upset every day. What are we going to do?

It's so simple. If you're born with a penis (XY) you are a male. If you're born with eggs (XX) you're a female.

How you act and appear is up to you.

According to multiple reports, just four minutes into the plaintiff attorney’s oral argument, U.S. Circuit Judge Theodore McKee forbade him to define the words “sex” and “opposite sex,” undermining Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF) attorney Randall Wenger’s ability to adequately defend his clients’ cause on reasonable grounds.

So fucking sinister and Orwellian.

How is she defining sex?

'She' is Alexis Lightcap, a student at Boyertown Area Senior High School.
The quote is taken from an eloquently written article, 'Girls and boys shouldn't do everything together' where she explains clearly her experience, motivation and opinion:
(extract)
"I was a junior in high school when I ducked into the girls’ room at school one day to find … a boy. I froze. Three years at this particular school, and that had never happened to me before. The girls’ bathroom had always been the girls’ getaway place — a place for privacy, mostly, but also a little refuge — a place to get away from boys, maybe talk about boys, but not meet boys.

My first thought was to get out. My second was to find my teacher and let her know what had happened. The teacher told me to tell the principal, so I did. And the principal did nothing."

I reccommend reading the whole article. We often comment on here that we would like to be able to also ask about women and girls (WAWAG)
A girl has spoken up and is an important voice to listen to:
www.philly.com/philly/opinion/commentary/boyertown-transgender-bathroom-lgbtq-gender-identiy-philadelphia-suburbs-20180524.html

Yes she is
twitter.com/margaretatwood/status/961914541494870016?lang=en

Absolutely. Gender treachery. That’s what they’re getting Ofglen for in the TV series. And there are people writing this stuff, now! Now they’re doing it! It’s about transgender people mostly, and they don’t exactly call it treachery, but they’re having none of it.
www.teenvogue.com/story/margaret-atwood-the-handmaids-tale-interview

Perhaps you never really got her in the first place?

"I don’t have a problem sharing a bathroom with someone who identifies as transgender — provided they are the same sex I am.

How is she defining sex?

Margaret Atwood was tweeting TWAW earlier this year. Go figure.

No problem OldMan

Parliamentary petition link: petition.parliament.uk/petitions/214118

"The government proposes to amend the law to allow people to self-identify as men or women, and to stop allowing organisations in sensitive situations to exclude people of the opposite birth sex. We call for women to be consulted on how to protect women and girls' rights, safety, privacy and dignity.

More details
We call for:

• Respectful and evidence-based discussion about the impact of proposed changes and for women's voices to be heard.

• The government to consult with women’s organisations on how self-declaration would impact on women-only services and spaces, data-gathering, and monitoring of sex-based discrimination.

• The principle of single-sex spaces to be upheld – and where necessary extended."

womansplaceuk.org
fairplayforwomen.com

I tell you what, Margaret Attwood must feel quite upstaged by all this. She wrote a work of speculative fiction about women being enslaved, exploited and turned into non-people. She wouldn't have dared to write one about women being erased from existence altogether - it would have seemed too unlikely. Yet here, it seems, we are.

Its going to be difficult for me to define my own identity when the terms 'sex' and 'woman' have been rendered meaningless.

USA
Opinion piece by one of the female students with background including their recent failed legal challenge & hopes for future:
"I don’t have a problem sharing a bathroom with someone who identifies as transgender — provided they are the same sex I am. I do have trouble with a policy that says anyone who’s in an opposite-sex mood today can stroll in and observe me in my intimate moments — and with school officials who value the feelings of a few students more than the dignity and privacy of all those in their care.

It’s my hope that the judges who may hear our case going forward will understand that better than our school administrators have — and take more seriously their responsibility to protect girls’privacy where it should be most protected: in the girls’ room."
www.philly.com/philly/opinion/commentary/boyertown-transgender-bathroom-lgbtq-gender-identiy-philadelphia-suburbs-20180524.html

(extract)
"A U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals panel took less than 20 minutes to deny an appeal by students who sought to protect their privacy rights in their public high school’s restrooms and locker rooms.

According to multiple reports, just four minutes into the plaintiff attorney’s oral argument, U.S. Circuit Judge Theodore McKee forbade him to define the words “sex” and “opposite sex,” undermining Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF) attorney Randall Wenger’s ability to adequately defend his clients’ cause on reasonable grounds.

In the end, the three-judge panel took less than 20 minutes to unanimously rule in favor of the school board’s formerly unpublicized policy allowing students to use opposite sex restrooms and locker rooms based on their self-proclaimed gender identity."
www.lifesitenews.com/news/circuit-court-rules-in-favor-of-high-school-trans-locker-room-with-no-delib

Yes, that was my comment

@Upstartcrow, your right to define your identity is being taken away by TRAs and their handmaidens.