No True Transwoman - transadvocates question whether TW is 'genuine' after said TW sexually harasses women in homeless shelter

What is actually meant by that?

Is that another threat? Are we supposed to be scared?

Time for my favourite picture!

Enjoy the rest of your Sunday.

You are not rational and your argument is self contradictory.

A transwoman is of the sex that produces motile gametes and according to you is therefore male.

Like this lovely lady...

Showers and changing rooms, one's she fought for so she and other women could be in the Fire Service. You trivialised it to a toilet.

Picasso most people don't care about being in a toilet with a trans woman. And pre op or non op or post op you don't know what is there and there's no way of knowing. That was what I said.

I think that they do care. They are just scared to say anything because - you know - men can get violent. Pre-op or post-op...still men. Still a potential threat.

Picasso most people don't care about being in a toilet with a trans woman. And pre op or non op or post op you don't know what is there and there's no way of knowing. That was what I said.

I've posted some things in anger during heated debates. So have many others here. We can all make mistakes like that and many have. You're demonising me.

I actually don't care what pronouns you use. I don't feel the need to disclose my sex/ gender, and I don't have to justify my participation here.

If she say she is a trans man, then he is a man.

If said male goes through a sex reassignment programme and legal change, then they are female.

Which is it? On their say so or after sex reassignment programme and legal change? Make your mind up!

No they didn't - the head of Swim England clarified that and then withdrew the guidelines because it wasn't explicit. You keep up. We've had this conversation.

They withdrew it because the Man Friday chaps made fools of their guidance. Keep up.

No that was specifically what the Swim England guidelines said was not a consideration. Keep up.

No they didn't - the head of Swim England clarified that and then withdrew the guidelines because it wasn't explicit. You keep up. We've had this conversation.

Yes it's a minefield isn't it Angry. Just trying not to offend by using the appropriate pronouns. It's not that hard. I haven't lost a piece of my soul in the process.

Btw your 'ridiculous' is another person's real life pain. You're trivialising again.

No, there should still be bodily privacy. We've already discussed that.

No that was specifically what the Swim England guidelines said was not a consideration. Keep up.

Again, it really isn't that difficult. Most people will agree with that, in principle.

No they don't. Most people aren't aware that "sex change" surgery only happens in a few cases and most trans identified males retain their penises.

Down the rabbit hole we go.

Male, Pratchet.

If said male goes through a sex reassignment programme and legal change, then they are female.

Again, it really isn't that difficult. Most people will agree with that, in principle. Most people meaning away from this internet bubble that Angry is talking about.

If she say she is a trans man, then he is a man.

Just pulling this out for newbies and lurkers as a perfect example of how ridiculous trans activism has become.

Huh, Supermatch's authoritarianism is really escalating.

When SupermatchGame first arrived it was massive.

I posted the Lucy Massoud video, about a Lesbian Muslim Firefighter where she explains she will be out of a job if a gender fluid male such as the police fella and Pip Bunce, or any intact male, starts using her changing rooms and showers as it means she can't.
SMG's response was, so she may have to go into a toilet after a transwoman, she can get over herself.

A rage posting episode appeared shortly after, I don't remember the details. It wasn't nice.

Since then he toned it down someway but it's still there. I am using the pronouns associated with the masculine stereotype I identify in SMGs tone/language etc.

I haven't been provided any other to use from memory.

So they are pushing the idea that women have to suck it up. We see you.

No, there should still be bodily privacy. We've already discussed that.

highlights inconsistencies in your ideology.

Biology is not ideology.

SMG is pretending to be reasonable while having no case to make and an excessive superiority complex.

I don't need to pretend I actually am quite reasonable. Real life feedback informs that observation.

I bring you rational evidence based arguments that challenge your opinions and highlights inconsistencies in your ideology. You see that as a superiority complex? Is it easier for you to label me in that way rather than examine some of your own prejudices?

So you still have no word for adult humans of the sex that produces motile gametes, SMG?

Oh really? When you cannot define man, or male

You can define man and male. It's defined in the gender recognition act.

Context. Context. Context.

you think you have the right to define MY boundaries?

The current law defines your boundaries. You still don't get to define other people's.

I haven't exploited anyone. I also didn't say that if you are infertile your sex in indeterminate. If a trans woman has surgery and obtains a GRC then she is legally female. Regardless of fertility. If an infertile natal woman says she is a woman, then she is a woman. If she say she is a trans man, then he is a man.

It's really not that difficult!

Oh so it's more "iamawomanbecauseisayiam", then?

So does that mean men who have had vasectomies are actually women? - you know, because they don't produce gametes.

They usually don't identify as women either. I think you probably could have worked that one out for yourself.

You've misunderstood what Margaret Atwood was saying in that article in a way that's actually quite ironic. She isnt talking about gender critical feminists or womens reaction. She's talking about men in power, and authoritarianism.

I haven't misunderstood. She is talking about "change from being a man to a woman or a woman to a man" threatening men's sense of authority. She is explaining transphobia. I didn't say it was about women's transphobia specifically - but she is not unsupportive of trans people.

You could of course also say the same about some of the radical feminist lesbians who feel threatened by transitioning trans men: What is happening to our lesbian community? etc. They see trans men threatening their roles and their lesbian identities. That was just one example from Atwood as she says "When things are so wobbly, it makes them very insecure."

That doesn't just apply to men.