No True Transwoman - transadvocates question whether TW is 'genuine' after said TW sexually harasses women in homeless shelter

if having an intact man in the shower naked with them was distressing for women and they complained and the complaints were recorded and taken seriously the shelter might have to make alternative arrangements.

No that isn't what I said (or meant). A pre op trans woman can be excluded quite legally from open showers. I said 'and this was distressing for the other women' because there may be situations where some women wouldn't necessarily want to exclude such a trans woman - (although personally I find that difficult to imagine). As in the examples given in the EA - it is on a case by case judgement. They don't have to exclude - only if they feel it would have a significant impact if they didn't.

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In an article and video, about a women's homeless shelter we have:

1. a male lawyer talking, representing the female plaintiffs
2. a Real Transwoman who used the service and is apparently 'friends' with some of the women in the lawsuit (and so not dodgy at all)
3. another Real Transwoman that knows the secret about how to tell Real Transwomen from, well, blokes in dresses

I am so comforted by the shower curtains though. That will surely solve everything!

It is. It really is.

Saw this morning an autism group has been taken over and made into a trans autism group, where people who are not trans are being actually kicked out

Appalling. I am so glad the social group of autists I belong to hasn't had to deal with that nonsense.

Transgender advocates forced it to shut down because it refused to admit male bodied people

Saw this morning an autism group has been taken over and made into a trans autism group, where people who are not trans are being actually kicked out.

Taking over everything supportive and making it all about trans and forcing people out if they do not comply.

I would attend that training, too.

Oger was in full support of Kimberly Nixon, who after having received counselling from Vancouver Rape Refuge for a year, took them to court because they refused to have KN as a rape counsellor.

It cost VRR $100, 000 and 12 years of legal action.

He said that VRR should submit to his demand or fold into obscurity, like Michfest. Michfest was the woman only festival that had run for over 20 years. Transgender advocates forced it to shut down because it refused to admit male bodied people

Did you see on another thread, Sarah admitted that there actually is a debate to be had about the whole concept of self identified men being able to legally access women's spaces? Let's have a debate about protecting women's rights to privacy and dignity with the Equality Act.

I'd happily be behind any trans person opening trans shelters.

Can anyone link me to a campaign that I can support?

You can @ me if you find one. Just one.

I would love to attend that training.

Believe me, so would I!

Firstly my heart goes out to the women suffering sexual harassment.

Oh what disingenuous bollocks.

You don't care about women suffering sexual harassment. If you did, you would support laws robustly protecting them where possible and oppose proposed legislation that might weaken them instead of spending your days posting misleading crapola to pretend that women's protections aren't currently under attack.

You support men in women's spaces. If the consequences of that are unpalatable, at least bloody own it.

If the criterion is "I say so" - what possible training could even achieve that?

I would love to attend that training. I am fascinated by the idea and can't imagine what they would say.

Hey Sarah and Supermatch - maybe we could get something off the ground here?

Oger has not a scrap of empathy for women.

Oger was also the one who asked people online to identify the woman who had a sign at Canada's dyke march says trans women are men.
Oger begged Oger's followers to find the woman and her workplace.
Nasty nasty person.

I think that "training" people to identify who is 'genuinely' transgender is a huge mistake.

If the criterion is "I say so" - what possible training could even achieve that?

Shower curtains!

Yes that's it sorted then.

Exactly. In the UK if she was pre op and this was distressing for the other women they would have to make alternative arrangements.

Transactivist translator: if having an intact man in the shower naked with them was distressing for women and they complained and the complaints were recorded and taken seriously the shelter might have to make alternative arrangements. Or they might tell them that they needed to be "educated", like Swim England.

They could exclude her from the shelter. They would treat a non-transwomen in this way so it would not be discrimination to exclude her.

Or they could take action against her, which might be discriminatory, as long as it is proportionate as this is allowed under the Equality Act.

Exactly. In the UK if she was pre op and this was distressing for the other women they would have to make alternative arrangements.

It also says the charity has implemented shower curtains. It think that should be done everywhere, not all women want to be naked in front of others. Everyone has their own boundaries and there's nothing wrong with that. Everyone should have the option of privacy it isn't necessarily anything to do with sex/ gender.

Ogler's agenda is clear: remove ALL sex segregated spaces for women

The comments about Michfest are particulary chilling

This Ogler?

This person quite clearly doesn't care less about women.

Firstly my heart goes out to the women suffering sexual harassment.

Funny how you are the only one on this thread who needs to qualify their point with this statement.

Your post is so disingenuous SarahAr. The proposed reforms would remove the current sex exemptions, so there would be no way to exclude a transwoman with a GRC who is sexually harassing other residents, other than through the shelter's only policies about acceptable conduct. And, because of the threat of litigation or removal of essential funding streams, many organisations are already wary about using the existing provisions within the Equality Act. But you already know that, as it's been pointed out to you many times on previous threads.

Morgane Oger seems to be teflon coated atm, mired neck deep in all kinds of unsavory shit but it just seems to slide off. A truly vile individual, for whom prison would seem a likely outcome when it all catches up.

Your points have been dealt with before SarahAr.