ManFriday article in the Daily Mail

I did have to grit my teeth on the need to include Amy and Swery’s marital status.

(With apologies to Sweary & Amy) Well, we do need to know why these unruly women have been let out to misbehave by their menfolk, and gosh aren't they bringing shame on their families.... Alternatively, they are like this because they don't have a husband to keep them in check. If only they had a man keeping an eye on them, this outrageous show of female defiance would never have got off the ground.

From my point of view, keep at it you unruly women!

Excellent article. I particularly enjoyed the little swipe at Maria Miller.

Good for you, @SwearyG, for being willing to stick your head above the parapet. I salute you!

I have just twigged as to who Jane Fae is. I remember reading about h** some time ago but forgot the name until I was reminded in this thread.

Lol that they didn't include Jane Fae's marital status. Especially when they did include Debbie's

And I mentioned the homeless charity too

Comments are premoderated, but I've added one

Of course there are intelligent contrary arguments to Debbie’s. Jane Fae is a trans woman, writer and diversity advocate

I'm still really perplexed, given Jane Fae's intelligence, with the argument she made on the Jeremy Vine show last week.

Jane said that women had different life experiences and one couldn't for example compare the lived experience of a 'poor' woman to the Queen, eg 'royal' woman. I think this argument actually illustrates the opposite to the point Jane was making. That in respect to being a girl and woman, biology is the shared experience regardless of wealth, occupation etc.

The Queen is also a woman and mother.

A poor woman could become a royal woman and royal women have become poor women.

Conversely, the thing that the Queen and 'poor women' can never experience, as opposed to Jane Fae, is being a 'trans' woman.

There was quite a bit of discussion about this point on the thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3256772-Guess-how-I-got-suspended-from-the-Labour-Party?

Excellent article. I did have to grit my teeth on the need to include Amy and Swery’s marital status. the comments so far seem to get it ok which is an improvement in previous articles. Well done Manfriday chaps...are you laydees again today?

Great article. Website won't allow me to log into my DM comments log-in. Could someone try posting a link to the petition in the comments?

Spartacus

Citing the example of predatory males infiltrating women’s refuges, she says: ‘This notion that a rogue male could take advantage of it (the self-identifying law) is silly.

Recent article regarding situation in California:
(extract)
"A prominent Fresno charity, homeless women, and the transgender community all say they're experiencing a nightmare come true.

Nine women homeless women signed on to a lawsuit against Naomi's House and its parent company, the Poverello House, saying the last place they could go to feel safe is now dangerous because they're forced to shower with a transgender woman.

The Naomi House bills itself as a gentle haven of healing and a safe haven for single, homeless women, but a new lawsuit says it put a lot of women in harm's way in a very vulnerable spot -- the shower.

It says the shelter requires them to shower in groups, and it opened its doors to a person who identified themself as a transgender woman who made lewd and sexually inappropriate comments, and leered at them while they were naked..."

"Leaders in the Valley's transgender community tell us this is a nightmare for them too because if someone who calls herself a transgender woman is sexually harassing people, she put an already marginalized community in a bad light"
abc30.com/3514544/

Bloody hell, a fair and balanced article in the mail. WTELF?

Well done ManFriday!

Its good to see an article making clear points

Re Jane Fae's comment,
'‘I’ve lost count of the trans people who’ve said: “I’m not going swimming now.” This campaign has not stopped men abusing women but it has stopped a lot of trans people going swimming."

Jane made this the point of issue after the original #ManFriday, that its only likely consequence would be to stop people who were transgender going swimming.

cf Delia Johnson's comment from an article a few years ago describing her role in trans inclusive sporting policies:

"‘I play a lot of badminton. When I started transitioning, I was getting involved in my local gym. The NHS demand you keep yourself fit and healthy [if you are transitioning]. But how the hell can you do that if a gym is against you? It’s a Catch 22."

metro.co.uk/2015/10/21/transgender-woman-on-her-desperate-struggle-with-her-new-identity-and-how-she-was-accepted-by-the-fa-but-not-her-daughter-5376352/?ito=cbshare

For background, Delia Johnson was quoted when Liz Truss MP hailed Justine Roberts for 'her approach to free speech':

"the former head of a charity campaigning for trans sportspeople to be allowed to compete in their chosen gender, condemned Ms Truss. Ms Johnston said: ‘She is giving kudos to Mumsnet who are particularly vicious on this particular front. Truss could be investigated for backing a group that is effectively advocating violence against the transgender community. She may be a terf in disguise.’
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3228488-Liz-Truss-MP-breaks-cover-backs-MN

who measures the women and girls who may have quietly stopped participating? Inclusion policies need to balance the needs of all to participate in sports

It is a really good piece, it is a pity that it took invading men's spaces for the media to listen mind, but at this point I will take what we can get. Man Friday is a brilliant tool, keep at 'em. Congratulations chaps. (I think we need a pint of beer emoji for the Man Friday chaps)

And Jane Fae, really? No words.

That is a really good article. Amazingly well-written and balanced, especially for the Mail

Is it going in the print version today? Well done all

To give them their credit re my family it’s kind of my fault as I gave them enough information to work it out and they contacted me and asked for permission to talk to them, which I think shows huge integrity.

It’s such a decent piece isn’t it. Jane Fae banging on about nobody abusing self ID and calling it “silly” (patronising sod) that we would even think such a thing after the Target study and Christopher Hambrook are referenced is such a glorious thing to see.

He was a big campaigner again slaws banning beastiality, extreme violence and fake under 18s "schoolgirl" porn

A balanced article in the Mail!
Sweary its a shame they tracked down your family, your mum sounds able to deal with them.
Great piece, by talking to two transgender people it makes the ManFriday point even more strongly.

That's a really really good article

It's good to see some proper journalism for once.

I read the original daily mail article yesterday, and was so disappointed that they seemed to completely miss the point.

Spotted the new article this morning and what a change! This one is clear and easy to read, making it very accessible to all readers.

Very well done all involved!

Fantastic article. Thank you that journalist and of course ManFriday. You really are Sheros!

Dare I ask what JF was campaigning for before they changed their name?

Sorry to hear about the loss of privacy but I also hope that they do publish your mum’s views given what you say. Thank you all again so much for doing this. Cheering Man Fridayers on!

Bloody marvellous stuff.

Well done all you brave Man Friday Chaps. You all took one for all the Friday Men Team.