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Help me to frame my responses to Male White Privilege

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JeNeSuisPasVotreMiel · 31/05/2018 23:41

Help me find the words to frame a retort when these things happen:

  1. Working as a manager on an event. A photographer has used the limited disabled car parking to broadside his Merc across several spaces and unpack his tripods. When asked to move he stated his intention to stay, quoting a connection with the landowner (who is not involved with the event). On further insistence from myself that it's disabled parking only in this area, he tells me that he has far more experience in events than I do (mine is 20 years), so that justifies his actions. I explain our duty to the law and he decides to pack up and leave without carrying out his work (which had been offered voluntarily).
  1. Teaching a beginners dance class. I offer some advice to one of the male participants on the basic couples hold. He tells me he won't do it like I describe, as he is too tall and it would injure me. I explain that I have danced (12 years experience) with plenty of partners his height and they all manage to do the basic hold in the way we are teaching it (which is the right way). His expresses disbelief and tells me that I don't understand that it wouldn't work and that he won't do it. He clearly believes that his height is unique and means he doesn't have to play by the rules.

Both of these men were white and in their early sixties. They were both clearly affronted at my actions and were keen to discredit my experience and authority.
I am left with a tacit understanding that they disregarded my instructions/requests on the ground of my being female, and younger (a bit) than them.

The older I get the more I understand why men act like they do. They have never been challenged. I'm so angry. They will continue to go about patronising women and quashing their opinions purely on the basis of their perceived superiority.

I would love just one retort to show that I KNOW where they are coming from and that I don't respect it.
Any thoughts?

OP posts:
thebewilderness · 01/06/2018 01:26

You have no leverage with either of those men.
All you can do is state the facts once and then in the first case have the vehicle hauled away and in the second case dismiss them from the class for refusing to follow directions.
If you do not have the capacity to do either of those things then you have no leverage. Take no for an answer and do not waste your breath on arguing.

Whyarealltheusernamestaken · 01/06/2018 01:08

The first bloke walked away and as a volunteer you can do nothing. The second is so stuck in his ways you can’t change him. You can only work on the younger generation and hope they will see things differently, whilst continuing to educate the older ones who are more willing

AssassinatedBeauty · 01/06/2018 01:02

The first guy, being a volunteer there's very little I think you could have done differently. You can take action in future and don't ask for or accept his volunteering again, and explain why to anyone who asks.

The second guy, I'd have just done the stuck record on him, and repeated myself without getting drawn into a debate. If he persisted, I might have got to the point of inviting him to sit out the dance if he feels he can't manage to do the required positions.

I don't think there's any point trying to get across that you know they're being shitty because you're a woman. It would be water off a ducks back I think.

MrsTerryPratchett · 01/06/2018 00:57

I've got one at the moment and it's flummoxing me. He pretends to take direction from the (extremely talented) women but just ignores it. You can see that he just thinks it can't possibly be him.

I've yet to work out how to deal with it. I do think it must be hard to suddenly realise you aren't the actual centre of the universe. But not as bloody hard as being told you're not repeatedly!

SupermatchGame · 31/05/2018 23:53

Some men don't like being told what to do no matter what.

You could either write them off as a bad job, or ask them:

"Are you finding this particularly difficult because I'm a woman? I know a lot of men don't like being told what to do by a woman!!!" polite laugh.

Scenario 1 is quite possibly going to walk away and not listen whatever you do anyway.

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