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Andrew Gilligan and MESMAC

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Popchyk · 31/05/2018 21:04

Anyone seen this?

Sounds like something is going down:

twitter.com/mragilligan/status/1002245637872766976

Trying to summarise:

MESMAC is the sexual health charity in Leeds which also helps survivors of childhood sexual abuse.

Heathcliffe Bowen, convicted paedophile, was a trustee of MESMAC.

MESMAC was criticised recently for saying that it was okay for staff members to have sexual relations with clients who came to the charity for help.

Andrew Gilligan is reporting today that Project Blast, for boys and young men affected by childhood sexual abuse, has been closed down by MESMAC.

Phil Mitchell, leader of the Blast project, who was warned by police about his harassment of a female academic who was critical of the project's methods, seems to be looking for another job today.

I suspect that we will be hearing more of this.

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InLoveWithDavidTennant · 31/05/2018 23:00

Shock i have no words

Waddlelikeapenguin · 31/05/2018 22:59

FermatsTheorem thank you for posting the link. I am utterly horrified by this Sad

Truthwillwin · 31/05/2018 22:52

Supermatchgame,
I am a new to mumsnet and I am reading your posts. This is first time I heard you mention mermaids in a way that shows you must be affiliated to them. The posters on here are extremely intelligent. Way beyond my own level of critical thinking. Actually wondering what I was doing all these years that I was happy in a bubble that didn't effect me. Now that it has, I do wonder why mermaids is getting recognition.?, my personal view is that it got away with it and still would if the trans activist were less demanding. Now mermaids is like the devil to me and I will forever blast their policies. Mermaids is not helping parents to have a critical view. It's my way or no way. Mermaids is not a supportive charity. It is affirmative. Someday soon. I hope they will be seen as a charity that endangers child mental health and well being. If a parent is happy to affirm, this is their choice. Sadly mermaids can't reassure the parents who are struggling. How is this an impartial charity. They, mermaids need to be there for everyone.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 31/05/2018 22:38

Fuck off Super and read the fucking document

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 31/05/2018 22:37

OMG. I had no idea about this. I feel sick. Had to scan through a lot of that report because it's so distressing. Why are they making children watch rape scenes? Oh my fucking God.

What is being done about this? Now I need to find out if my children have been exposed to this. Please someone tell me what I can do.

Utterly shocked

Ereshkigal · 31/05/2018 22:34

Yes I saw that! Was going to watch.

LangCleg · 31/05/2018 22:34

Yeah, last time I said it felt like being trapped in a new episode of Red Riding.

Coincidentally, Channel 4 have just added all the Red Riding adaptations to its streaming service.

Offred · 31/05/2018 22:30

Thanks for clarifying that @reetgood

reetgood · 31/05/2018 22:29

I posted re wyp vice. For context, that was 30 odd years ago.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 31/05/2018 22:29

omg.

SupermatchGame · 31/05/2018 22:28

Might have known you'd try and drag Mermaids into all that.

You've managed to get Mermaids, Trans, sex offender, killer, abuse prostitution and paedophile all into the same post there. Quite a feat. You're only missing a Savile for the full suite... oh wait a minute there it is 5 posts later. Congrats.

Ereshkigal · 31/05/2018 22:27

WTF is going on with the world?

FermatsTheorem · 31/05/2018 22:25

Quote from the linked article:
"An interesting result of the increase in the understanding of trauma, is the sharp rise in materials,
films, presentations, talks, TV shows and blogs containing ‘trigger warnings’ or ‘content warnings’. It
is now commonplace to find a warning that a piece of media shows particular triggering material for trauma victims and survivors. These trigger/content warnings are regularly given before professionals start CSE/A training and even before professionals are shown CSE films that they will then use with children. However, the same trigger/content warnings are not given to children before they watch CSE films and drama productions. In many cases, children are shown the films or resources without any prior warning of the content. Children are then led into rooms where they begin to watch a film that quickly develops into a scene where a child is being raped or harmed
–
and they have no way out. From the accounts collected for this report, children have watched CSE films or used CSE resources, whilst experiencing shock, horror, panic attacks, anxiety symptoms, flashbacks and physiological trauma responses but have remained quiet. They did not get up to leave. They did not run away or hide. They did not tell an adult. They did not disclose their abuse. They report experiencing prolonged and severe trauma responses whilst surrounded by potentially hundreds of students, in an environment that they cannot leave."

FermatsTheorem · 31/05/2018 22:21

For those new to this, the context to Jessica Eaton's work is her critique of so-called CSE (child sexual exploitation) films used in school. The idea behind these films - an idea never actually tested, just asserted without proof - is that these films enable children to protect themselves against being groomed by abusers. Eaton's research suggests that in fact the films are victim blaming which only end up further traumatising children who have been abused while confusing and frightening children who have not been abused.

www.academia.edu/36034573/Can_I_tell_you_what_it_feels_like_Exploring_the_harm_caused_by_CSE_films One of Eaton's articles here.

BeyondSceptical · 31/05/2018 22:21

Don't forget this one, pop

Andrew Gilligan and MESMAC
Ereshkigal · 31/05/2018 22:20

Wasn’t there something about the green family’s personal relationship with a particular officer too?

Yet apparently Jackie Green I think is best friends with their Hate Crime Officer.

Popchyk · 31/05/2018 22:20

Offred, yes I think there was now that you mention it.

Will have a dig.

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Popchyk · 31/05/2018 22:19

Phil Mitchell on Twitter:

Update. Spoken to editor. He is going to tell journalist to remove the tweets

twitter.com/PhilMitchell83/status/1002294046948282368

Too late Phil. We already saw them.

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Offred · 31/05/2018 22:18

Wasn’t there something about the green family’s personal relationship with a particular officer too?

Ereshkigal · 31/05/2018 22:17

You should email that list to Andrew G.

Offred · 31/05/2018 22:15

There was an issue re corruption in procurement in 2014 too and the issue re taking that fella to the brothel and giving him drugs which seriously undermined a prosecution.

Someone posted before re vice ‘When vice came round, one of the officers had a baywatch sticker on the back of their clipboard’ Hmm

And celine who wrote the blogpost referred to a very negative experience with the police which was why she felt hopeless re reporting problems to them.

There was the Friday morning club re Savile too...

It’s looking like a massive ‘boy’s club’ isn’t it?!

2rebecca · 31/05/2018 22:13

Totally confused. I thought Phil Mitchell was an Eastenders character

Ereshkigal · 31/05/2018 22:13

Brilliant popchyk.

Offred · 31/05/2018 22:11

Thanks popchyk...

Popchyk · 31/05/2018 22:09

Just to recap the Yorkshire stuff.

I keep adding to it as we discuss things on here:

  • Mermaids is based in Leeds.
  • MESMAC (sexual health and survivors of sexual abuse charity) have been in the news recently for things that happened in Leeds. The Yorkshire branch were the ones who drafted the procedures stating that staff can have sex with clients. Paedophile Heathcliff Bowen also worked at MESMAC Leeds until his conviction recently.
  • West Yorkshire Police give funds to MESMAC.
  • West Yorkshire Police received two reports from Leeds Council about MESMAC. WYP did nothing.
  • Trans Leeds (support group for transgender people) and Action for Trans Health (yes, that lot) use MESMAC offices in Leeds for meetings.
  • Yorkshire Ambulance Service were the ones who invited Karen Jones (transgender killer and sex offender) to educate staff.
  • Susie Green of Mermaids contacted WYP about comments made online by Posie, and WYP immediately leap into action. This despite not responding to complaints of wrongdoing at MESMAC.
  • Two former interns at Mumsnet who publicly accused Mumsnet users of transphobia. Were students in Leeds.
  • Another Mumsnet user was contacted by WYP about comments made online
  • North Yorkshire Police interviewed Linda Bellos
  • Leeds have the "legal" prostitution zone
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