Andrew Gilligan and MESMAC

Thanks Popchyk

Private Eye might be very interested in this

I'm halfway through 1980 now...

AngryAttackKittens Our Netflix algorithm recently suggested 'Prime Suspect' & I've been slowly re-watching it. Its definitely worth it, an important reminder.

Ooo seen been is in it! Gonna stick it on my sky q right now...

Thanks beyond and naut

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/abuse-survivors-charity-yorkshire-mesmac-hit-by-sex-scandal-xbqb3hqbv?shareToken=e534131a26136105657cdf427f34f5f5

Originally it was a series of books and then a TV series:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Peace#Red-Riding_Quartet

Very gritty stuff.

Red riding is a series on four (I think?), I've seen it mentioned a few times now - I do believe it has just come onto on demand, so I was planning on watching it.

Does anyone have a share token for this?
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/abuse-survivors-charity-yorkshire-mesmac-hit-by-sex-scandal-xbqb3hqbv

Er, what's Red Riding?

Thanks for that post Popchyk good to have it all in one post! I was vaguely connecting the dots myself Leeds/Yorkshire/Savile/Ripper/Rotherham definitely seems to be a culture around that area that needs challenging!

You watch Red Riding and think, surely they're exaggerating the extent of police corruption a bit, but then you start looking at the real place and if anything it looks like the author may have understated it.

If Green's ex was indeed on that force then that's interesting information to have.

I know Rotherham was South rather than West Yorkshire but can it go on the list too please.

"To all #Trans+ folk, who may be feeling angry, scared or attacked after last nights #GenderQuakeDebate Remember @yorkshiremesmac has got your back."

West Yorkshire Police - primarily known for their huge failures in the hunt for the Yorkshire Ripper. Can add that to the list as well.

Ah, Fermats got there before me!

Hashtag #nomoreCSEfilms

I had never heard of these CSE films. If they are as described I am shocked beyond words.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=zuJFYmYwqv0

Can we not let this thread get derailed into a discussion of Mermaids? It's not really relevant to the main point.

The main issue is that MESMAC at one point stated that they saw no problem with adult service providers forming sexual relationships with adult service users, which goes against what any sane person would think of as good practice.

There also seems to be some sort of kerfuffle going on over the transfer of their youth programme to a different service provider, which seems to involve one of their members of staff leaving the organisation.

That member of staff seems to have some sort of personal campaign going on against a researcher called Jessica Eaton, whose main research area seems to be to do with casting doubt on the use of explicit films as resources to somehow "warn children off" getting involved with sex offenders which (a) is victim blaming, (b) has no evidence base, (c) traumatises the children and (d) gives responsible authorities an easy out in terms of having performed a tick-box exercise (look, we showed the children all these DVDs in school, we have done our bit) without actually having produced any useful end results.

www.victimfocus.org.uk/nomorecsefilms/4594134271 This is a series of youtube videos Eaton has done on the subject.

Well this is a new. I'm not 'affiliated' to Mermaids. Truthwillwin
The posters here they are intelligent yes. But not beyond my own level of critical thinking.

Mermaids is there to support children and families with gender identity issues. Their end goal isn't to get as many children into treatment as possible. It is to use an affirmative model as in lead by the child whether that be as a non conforming person or one that needs some degree of transition. There isn't any evidence for alternative approaches for severely gender dysphoric children, and many of them desist as we know.

Fortunately now there is also Transgender Trend that is offering a more gender critical approach for those families that want it.

It sounds like you've been through a lot, whatever it is, and I sense a lot of pain there - apologies if I've got that wrong. I'm not going to try and continue some sort of ongoing debate with you because it doesn't feel appropriate. But I hope you are finding your own way through whatever it is and getting all the support you need.

Has this doc ever been posted on main boards here? Do other parents know about this?

For those new to this, the context to Jessica Eaton's work is her critique of so-called CSE (child sexual exploitation) films used in school.

I highly recommend everyone read Jessica's work on this. It's profoundly shocking and emblematic of what damage top-down policies imposed by institutions brainwashed by theoretical liberal academia can do.

I should say that I don't know whether or not MESMAC produces these CSE films - just that Phil Mitchell (currently at MESMAC, soon to take up employment elsewhere by the look of things) seems to have some sort of personal beef against Jessica Eaton, whose research includes a critical examination (complete debunking might be closer) of the use of these films.