How do we scourge out racism and classism in feminism?

www.wired.com/story/russia-election-hacking-playbook/

www.news18.com/news/world/russian-bots-tried-to-influence-uk-general-election-report-1733141.html

There s a lot of hard evidence regarding Ukraine and the US. Speculation regarding how many countries are being affected.

The US government has also been interfering in foreign elections for at least sixty years. The electronic age makes it easier for them.

Google is your friend.

Sorry 21.17

I thought thats what you said at 20.17. I have no idea. Why I ask.

How did Russian bots cause Brexit? Are you saying brexit didn't reflect the popular view?

Its funny my brother said something very similar to me when I mentioned I'd been aware of bots and strange goings on with a Russian bent in the build up to the referendum (eg- someone I know who has zero interest in politics, especially international politics, but is a militant vegetarian had started posting pictures of Putin hugging deer on Facebook). About a week later, the Cambridge Analytica story broke and I feel entirely vindicated. I most definitely was not imagining it or being a tinfoil hatter!

How did Russian bots cause Brexit? Are you saying brexit didn't reflect the popular view?

I did not know they did. Perhaps you should explain.

Do you mean recently or did this happen well before?

I became aware of discussions/bragging on the manosphere about it approximately 7 years ago.

Also I have developed a bit of a nose for MRAs posing as BAME women, TIMs, 'happy hookers', radfems, etc. They do the lot to stir up antipathy and waste everyone's time. There's something about the 'voice' that doesn't ring true. They have improved now and plagiarise genuine people more effectively than in the past.

I remember there was a hashtag a while back that was hijacked.. I can't think of the actual words.

How did Russian bots cause Brexit? Are you saying brexit didn't reflect the popular view?

PermissionToSpeakSir

It was like the bad old days all over again for me when I found out that Russia was using the same old reliable MRA infiltration rat-fucking tactics on Facebook to tip the US election to Trump by depressing the Black vote, demonizing BLM, and depressing the women's vote. He only lost by 3 million votes, in exactly the right places for him to win the election.
They did the same thing in the UK with regard to Brexit, I understand. They will keep on doing it so long as it works.

@permissiontospeaksir

When you say the following
They then pretended to be BAME women to encourage a 'race' fracture, they did some brazen outrageous things to try and stop women speaking on Mumsnet.

Do you mean recently or did this happen well before?

As a children's librarian in the 70s & 80s there was real progress on widening books - lots showing real working class families, multi cultural fiction and non fiction. Positive girl role models. Series like Goosebumps read by boys and girls. Today we're back to gendered fiction and a dearth of books with BAME characters particularly picture books.
Just like the media - few working class, BAME & Women's representation.
Capatalism is slippery - it seems to be changing but really just pausing before reassserting the status quo.

lang for letting us know and all of you for clarifying!

Some really great posts on this thread, about the erasure of materialism as a basis for activism, on “performative wokeness” more generally, especially liked the one about Derrida v Stalin and the dead end of lit theory in general and queer theory in particular, and a whole rake of thoughtful and thought-provoking posts on race issues from varying perspectives.

to you all, you’ve managed to articulate a lot of what I rather gropingly think but would rarely dare say out loud in my relatively “woke” academic circles.

I don't think you were. The HQ advice re TAATs was very recent and there was a previous advice that was a lot more 'low key' previously.

Holds up hands!

I reported a couple of posts for TAAT (although not yours, Permission nor Juzza's).

I threw a tantrum on Saturday morning on here because I had taken great pains to avoid the you-know-what free-for-all as completely unproductive. So I was hugely fucked off that it got deleted and the same argument was threatening to make its way into otherwise productive threads.

Had a brief to and fro with a couple of the mods - who were trying, I think, as nicely as they could, to calm me down and tell me I was jumping the gun rather and if the thread did come to TAAT, they would take action but weren't at the moment.

Anyways. I did calm down and I did say sorry to Juzza somewhere hereabouts yesterday. If I'm the indirect cause of your deletion(s), Permission, I also apologise to you. Sorry!

BTW - I am not accusing other posters of grovelling/denouncing by MRA design - more that I butted it head on in my fury.

There is a difference between a TAAT and 'mentioning' a thread or a person''s name.

Typical MRAs scrabbling together some category to report the thread and get it pulled. Also typically because I don't roll over into self-abnegating grovelling apology or join in with denouncing feminists, it is my post that gets reported.

Indeed

I don't understand the contradiction between the two HQ comments ...

Fuckers

I think one of your posts got pulled at Sun 03-Jun-18 16:23:23

But there have been no deletions between the first HQ post saying that this is close to being a TAAT and the second saying that posts would be pulled...

I'll be pissed off if my mentioning of Posie leads to my whole post being pulled since I am referring to the movement as a whole and not just a couple of Mumsnet threads.

If @hopemumsnet fails to find any 'real' TAAT posts - perhaps it might be worth keeping an eye on the posters who falsely reported. You never know - they may be old 'friends' of yours.

I think it also has a lot to do with a game change in liberal feminism, funded, I suspect by the sex industry in the US. At one time is not sexy to be a lib fem. Lib fems were older, conservative and associated with boring minor legal change-making. Younger feminists wanted to be rads, or marxists or socialist feminists or simply didn't name themselves. Then suddenly a whole bunch of younger 'pro-sex' feminists called themselves lib fems and the tide-changed. The Handmaid's Tale and its negative portrayal of rads as in bed with the conservatives (although there I do think she has a point) and about to burn books (porn) didn't help. Suddenly it was cool and pro-sex to be a liberal feminist and old fogey to be a rad. Lib feminism subtly shifted from enlightenment thinking re education and legal change to American libertarianism - and many were hooked.

Yeah - I'm confused. I can't see any recent (or real) TAATing.