Huge meta-study finds that transition helps trans people

"This is a women's rights boards. Perhaps post in Chat?"

For those women who transition, it is a huge rights issue. You might not like that, but legally, medically and socially they are women and just as entitled to be here as you are.

Unsurprising. Of course adults with genuine gender dysphoria are happier after transitioning. Does this study include children who are transitioning? Children taking puberty blockers and cross sex hormones?

A lot of the "problems" that are brought up on FWR are issues such as ROGD and AGP. Nobody, as far as I have seen, has ever argued that AGP people are unhappy post transition.

ROGD is quite a new phenomenon. I suspect with little evidence yet of whether or not transitioning is a good or a bad thing. Perhaps, yes, let these girls cut their hair and wear boys clothes but perhaps puberty blockers, breast binding and cross sex hormones might not be for the best? These are things that could be dangerous or irreversible.

In addition to all of this, a lot of what MNers discuss is self ID. The impacts that that might have on women from the point of view that not all TIMs will be males with gender dysphoria. I'm sure they're all happy TIMs but that shouldn't mean that women potentially have to suffer or lose out.

Unsurprisingly they chose to ignore studies that didnt support their conclusion

Shamelessly robbed from another random on Twitter

They leave out Asscheman, 2011 and Dhejne 2011, two of the the three long-term registry based studies (no loss to follow-up) that show poor outcomes and extremely high suicidality.

Or when it was raining AAK

I miss the days when you could avoid evangelists by just not answering the door on Sundays.

It would at least be an original approach, unlike the "preaching to the heathens" thing they're attempting here.

I miss the days when you could avoid evangelists by just not answering the door on Sundays.

I think the OP would get a positive response (the one they are looking for obviously?) on AIBU?

the alleged harm of transition is a popular topic
When harm of transition is discussed this is quiet often in relation to the medical transition of children, does this meta study address this or just transitioning in adults. I think we would all agree that medical transition can help some adults with dysphoria.

I second the "random man on twitter" thread, as he shows all those studies up for the bad science they are.

Nice appeal to authority though. Don't think so.

People would be allowed to be as direct as they like on AIBU though, and we can't have that.

(Have been confused about the seaweed thing ever since I first saw this person commenting at The Guardian's site. Is the idea to distract people by making them hungry? Are thoughts of miso soup meant to be filling my head, and what does that have to do with trans people?)

Can you link to the study they did on how this all intersects with woman’s rights and safeguarding of children please?

I like Matthew Greenfield.

Sadly, more often than not, due to the incessant attack on women's rights

one of their favourite topics.

Oh I see, we’re “them”, are we?

"sometimes"

...LOL.

Bollocks:

NOT MEAN that
2, 3, 4....

Coffee still not kicked in yet.....

Post it on Chat.

I'd love to see the responses.

I'd be brave though and go for AIBU.

C'mon, you can do it!

(Ditto re 'transmen'...)

Even if it were conclusively proved that every single person who 'transitions' benefits* from this, permanently and with zero regrets, that would still:

1. Not mean that a 'transwoman' is anything other than a man and male.
2. That this group of men who benefit from these processes should be classified as women, or as female.
3. That this group of men should have access to women's and girl's protected spaces and opportunities.
4. That the language around sex, bodies, reproduction etc, needs to be changed in light of the fact that this group of men benefit from these procedures.

• not getting into discussion of the definition of 'benefit' - it is irrelevant to my point

And how does this benefit women and girls? This being the feminism board and all.

(I do realize that attempting to teach people basic social skills on the internet rarely goes well, especially the ones who for some inexplicable reason have decided to name themselves after seaweed.)

No, we talk about how women's rights are affected adversely by transactivism, sometimes. Your post has nothing to do with this.

An interesting link, thank you for posting it though not sure this is the section for it.

The question is not whether transition helps some people with gender dysphoria. I don't think most people are arguing that. It's whether by itself without other therapies it gives the long-term help as that's what's often described to people these days (transition is treated as a goal rather than part of treatment) and the percentage of those with gender dysphoria it helps/is recommended for (and what it does to those without gender dysphoria now that 'informed consent clinics' are a thing).

As only a small minority of those with dysphoria transition, there is clearly other ways people deal with it and really - as transition is medically very risky with a lot of potential negative side effects even for those it overall benefits and many people have medical reasons to be unable to transition - treating it as the end all and be all can be harmful. Tell someone with a a condition that means they can't have synthetic hormones that this is the best and only way to help them and you're setting them up to fail and possibly attempt rather risky behaviours like self prescribing.

It should be noted that as they're using studies all the way back to 1991, some of that research will not be comparing the same thing. In 1991, gender dysphoria was used as a symptom, not everyone who was told they had gender dysphoria would go onto being diagnosed with Gender Identity Disorder and be recommended for transition. Some of us were diagnosed a range of other issues (mine is part of my PTSD). It was only around 2000 or so that is became it's own diagnosis (which had pros and cons) and now we have WHO among others wanting to throw it out entirely for gender incongruence which would reduce if not eliminate the distress element which would have screwed me over when I was younger as that's what I really needed help with. The way gender dysphoria - the way it is defined, how it's diagnosed, how medical professionals have deciding on methods of care - have changed drastically in the last twenty years and there has been massive shake-ups in the last few.

It's no surprise that those who go through extensive therapy and monitoring processes have few regrets and an improvement to well-being. That's not who I'm worried about and if people were pushing for more of that I would be thrilled. I'm worried about people today with less and less face time with professionals, with the encouragement by many in certain online spaces to self diagnose and prescribe, and the dysphoric people who would be better and/or may require by medical need to seek other treatments.

What everyone else said. Whether or not trans people are happier or not post-transition has nothing to do with women's rights.

Nope, the emphasis is on women's rights but sadly we get TRAs showing up and relentlessly badgering us about their far greater importance.

You must have gotten confused by the two things?

Hmm, academics who got their funding from where?

But yes, what has this got to do with women's rights? If some people find medical treatment beneficial that's not really a surprise to anyone?