Examples of transgender males in male roles

If, as Mack says he wants, he were treated as any other boy...he would likely be banned for doping as boys with low testosterone much like other kids with medical conditions that need classed drugs are usually not allowed to compete

Just as an aside, you actually usually are allowed to take "banned" substances when you have a medical diagnosis or doctor's note prescribing them.

The really ubiquitous example is asthma inhalers. These are a banned substance but if you are a diagnosed asthmatic, they are not.

With a medical diagnosis and a genuine medical need you usually can take banned substances in sport; no problem.

Ben Bares died fairly recently - this is from his obit in The BMJ -

The most prominent example of public advocacy came when Barres took on Harvard University president Larry Summers over comments that the paucity of women in the sciences was perhaps rooted in their “intrinsic aptitude.” Barres countered that assertion in an extended 2006 commentary in Nature, which was laced with statistics and personal experience from presenting as both female and male.

“Shortly after I changed sex, a faculty member was heard to say, ‘Ben Barres gave a great seminar today, but then his work is much better than his sister’s,’” he wrote, illustrating the perception barrier that female researchers face. He added that one benefit of transitioning is that “I can even complete a whole sentence without being interrupted by a man.”

And he included women in denying the existence of gender based bias, chastising those who succeed who too often “pull up the ladder behind them.”

“People are still arguing over whether there are cognitive differences between men and women. If they exist, it’s not clear they are innate, and if they are innate, it’s not clear they are relevant,” he told the New York Times.

I agree that the comparison doesn't really work both ways. Sports may be one of the few areas where there are obvious issues both because in some areas there are only male teams for some sports sometimes just due to numbers so there would be a debate on whether female players, of any identity, should play on a primarily male team due to physical risks and that some boys will not be willing to play with or compete against a girl (particularly in contact sports, I imagine that's more an issue with wrestling than swimming) as well as because while difficult for a trans man, with early transition a lot of those differences will be at least narrower and the issue of performance enhancing drugs and making the rules fair and equal - if a trans man is on T, which no man would be allowed to take, should they be allowed to compete and what affect would that have?

As the Mack Begg situation has shown (though I don't think he says much for trans rights, just his own wants and calling people haters for pointing out the obvious fact that if you take and brag about taking drugs, your victories will be attributed to the drug rather than ability), while a few places have made allowances for trans atheletes, that the issue of performance enhancement drugs in sports is flaring up around this. If, as Mack says he wants, he were treated as any other boy...he would likely be banned for doping as boys with low testoserone much like other kids with medical conditions that need classed drugs are usually not allowed to compete and, while it isn't nice and I think there needs to be far more for-fun spaces for sports with more relaxed rules, I agree with that for competitive sports. I did what Mack wants, I competed with boys in wrestling, and I just cannot wrap my mind around the idea that whoever Mack wrestles, it's okay to do it while on T. I think if it is allowed to continue that it will impact both boys and girls in pursuing sports.

Indeed. There is no point comparing the trans man impact with that of trans women because biology (strength) and socialisation (Male privilege) mean that trans men do not have the same potential impact on men in terms of physical spaces and access to boardroom (shorthand for things like AWS) as do trans women on women.

In light of the pitiful excuses seen today, perhaps more of us should identify as men to help diversity while keeping women in their places.

The point is that trans men are not asking for anything that is a scarce resource to men. Men are also not likely to be intimidated, scared or wary of female-bodied people, or likely to have reasons why female-bodied people are going to stop them accessing services etc etc. The very small number of passing transmen will not affect them at all, and I would imagine that non-passing transmen are themselves wary about entering male spaces.

"why not just put a link to wherever you're copying and pasting these blogs from? It looks like you're trying to interfere with a reasonable discussion by spamming, which I'm sure was not your intention."

Not my intention at all. The post are stretched across 11 pages so I thought it would be useful to pull out the relevant entries and post them.

If you prefer a link to the website itself, here it is:

www.lgbtqnation.com/2017/01/top-50-successful-transgender-americans-know/

No, she was asking for examples competing in male sports.

It seems obvious to me why men don't have a massive issue with transmen in their spaces and taking posts, whereas (some) women do have issues with trans women.

I guess the question is also perhaps..is there any evidence from the data that a transman is treated as a man by other men? So are transmen more likely than women to hold high positions. Are transmen less likely than women to be raped. What is the gender
/sex pay gap like? If s no good just saying that a transman has a position of power if they were just as likely to be in that position as a woman. We need to know if their class is more similar in treatment to the class male or the class female.

And if the answer is it's better, why don't we all non-surgically and non-hormonally transition then?

Mack Beggs is competing against girls, not men, which isn't what the OP was asking about I think

He's famous for sport though; he doesn't want to compete against the girls, he's been asking not to for ages! So he is a good, loud voice pushing the trans agenda of being allowed into the competition of his chosen gender; which is what she asked for, I thought?

So where are all these examples insulting anyone that disagrees with them and trying to campaign to be allowed in men only spaces, calling anyone a transphobic who disagrees with them?

The thing with transmen I believe is that they pass almost entirely most of the time, purely because of the extremely potent effect of testosterone on the human body. It is those same potent effects that mean transwomen may struggle to pass in virtue of it's lasting effects.

So basically transmen don't get much stick on the basis of their appearance; they mostly go around using "male" spaces unnoticed from what I can gather, and have done for donkeys years.

I got that from that same programme I think; I wish I could remember what it was. I think it was in Canada rather than the US though.

I think the transman voice perhaps seems less aggressive in virtue of the fact they can simply have what transpeople are asking for without any sort of confrontation a lot of the time.

I guess Chaz Bono is pretty well known, though I'm not sure if he would have been if he hadn't been one of Cher's children. He's not alone there, to be fair, there's plenty of celebrity offspring around who probably wouldn't be well known otherwise.

"it does seem that the f2m voice is quieter somehow, less aggressive..?"

How many attacks on trans men do you see on TERF forums? TERFs are famous for ignoring trans men - they almost exclusively attack trans women. When those women defend themselves, it is of course held up as proof of their masculinity (TERF logic of course allows for them to be simultaneously attacked for perpetuating feminine stereotypes and for being feminine men).

*biogs not "blogs"

Laith Ashley is a model
m.youtube.com/watch?v=CnPOL_vzzYg

Mack Beggs is competing against girls, not men, which isn't what the OP was asking about I think.

@WAKAME why not just put a link to wherever you're copying and pasting these blogs from? It looks like you're trying to interfere with a reasonable discussion by spamming, which I'm sure was not your intention.

www.nytimes.com/2018/02/20/movies/transgender-director-oscar-strong-island-documentary.html

First trans director to receive an Oscar nomination - this was very recent. I'm enjoying looking for these actually :)

Regarding the original question, there’s very little that’s explicitly reserved for men. Male privilege is the result of being male, being socialised as male, being seen as male. You can’t identify into that. So-called female privilege is often what’s handed to us (places on courses, shortlists etc). You can, apparently, identify into that.

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Rhys Ernst is a filmmaker and artist. He is a producer on Amazon’s Transparent and created the title sequence for the series. Ernst was nominated for a 2015 Emmy Award for directing and producing the webseries “Transparent: This Is Me,” which won a Special Recognition GLAAD Award. In 2016 he teamed up with Focus Features to create the online series “We’ve Been Around,” a collection of short films on transgender pioneers. In addition to the 2014 Whitney Biennial, Ernst has shown work at Sundance, Oberhausen, and The Hammer Museum; he has won awards at Outfest, Chicago International Film Festival and the LA Transgender Film Festival; he was a Point Scholar, a Project Involve Fellow, and was awarded with the 2015 Point Foundation Horizon Award for his work on transgender representation in the media.