Feminism contradicts an equalist society: discuss

To quote Germaine Greer equality is a "profoundly conservative goal" for women.

“It’s important to note that in some societies sex work is prestigious.

Anyone that has been to the red light district in Amsterdam and talked to the girls and there families would know this.”

Ah, right. You’re one of them

Why is a raven like a writing desk? Discuss.

Men are two times more likely to be murdered than women

Yeah OP, by other men.

Who is convicted of 98% of sexual assaults? That would be men.

Physical violence creates a climate of fear which enforces women's submission under men. It polices langauge. Women are afriad to speak openly because of mens reactions. Yes we know that you're a Nice Guy and you won't smash our teeth in if we laugh at your stupid tie in work but we know that the male ego is a fragile thing and if we undermine it we face consequences. These range from getting a reputation as a bitch or a 'ballbreaker' to threats of violence and literal death. This is an undercurrent of life for women so we are not free to make any choice we wish. We self censor ourselves all the time and police our behaviour. Should I wear this top to work, should I walk home alone at night, should I laugh at his shit joke? How is that a free choice?

I think this is a really important point to discuss as evidence suggest that the youths of the day I.e 0-30 years olds there are virtually zero inequalities between men and women

For me it’s maternity that really kicks off the inequalities.

Average age for first birth is in the late 20s in the U.K. Until then men and women in general have fewer caring responsibilities. And so the gender pay gap is smaller for people in their 20s than for people in their 30s & 40s.

I think society needs to encourage men to do more at home. Well paid paternity leave would be a good start.

Men are murdered by other men. Male violence is the problem, still. There is a huge disparity between levels of female violence and levels of male violence. Your comments do not address this.

Did you ask the girls in the office?

As to Cleopatra - I read that she and Mark Antony formed a drinking club, so she may well have had the body of a roll top desk. I've always thought of ducks as kind of sinister (their sex lives - no. Just no.), so there's an argument to be made there.

I don't think that it is true to say that there are zero inequalities. There are inequalities. But I don't think that it is still the case that one sex is far worse off than another or that only focusing on the rights of one sec will lead to equality.

We are getting away from what is the consensus of not being feminists but being equalists?

Have you read the replies? A resounding NO it seems, because your premise:

I think this is a really important point to discuss as evidence suggest that the youths of the day I.e 0-30 years olds there are virtually zero inequalities between men and women, and, the variables that are unequal are because one side chooses to be different.

is wrong. People are showing you evidence so that you can understand it is wrong.

You assume that everybody is free to make choices in an equal society. Obviously not true. You are deliberately ignoring sexual violence and physical abuse because you have no way to explain this away if we live in an equal society, as you are arguing. Who sells sex and who buys sex? Is that statistic equal OP?

OP "Two women a week are killed by their male partners." Discuss.

Closing the wage gap is a middle class obsession. It does nothing for working class women who won't be able to make the same 'choices' as their MC 'sisters.' Even if there was 50/50 representation on the boards of the FTSE 100 do you think this would 'trickle down' to the poorest women in society? When liberal feminists seem to be pushing the pro-prostitution agenda as the solution to poverty? Nah mate.

You know it's going to be a load of utter bollocks when the OP sounds like a joke Oxford board essay question.

I prefer: "Discuss the contention that Cleopatra had the body of a roll-top desk and the mind of a duck." (R.Atkinson).

OP, FWR isn't an exam we're sitting. You don't get to instruct us to "discuss".

40% of managers admit to avoiding hiring women in their 20's or 30's:

www.theguardian.com/money/2014/aug/12/managers-avoid-hiring-younger-women-maternity-leave

I think it's been estimated somewhere that equality will take 70 to 100 years at current rate of progress ...and there are plenty of people who would like the current rate of progress reduced to 0

Usually men. Or women who love to please. They often say that equality is pretty well achieved already.

I think those numbers are the range for participation at high level In Different stem subjects, but that an international organisation gets similar numbers looking at a wider range of equality measures . I had a browser tab clearout recently so haven't got the references to hand

No, never happened of course.

Nope.

Just that the main pro of feminism is allegedly equality for all

That's Marxism.

Feminism's different.

I know of a man that did not get a job because he was a man and the board needed a women to be equal.

And you have never heard of a case where a woman was the best candidate but the board thought she might get pregnant and not be able to devote the time etc. so it was preferable to choose a man?

No, never happened of course.

Interested that the only inequaloties between males and females in the under 30 age group are "choice" differences

Could you indicate where this information comes from and what it includes?

Like others have suggested, does that choice include choosing to be raped?

And secondly the whole "chooses" is a bit yikes. Are you saying that women today choosing not to do physics is a totally free choice and that it has nothing to do with any external pressures or discriminatory influences? if you manipulate someone into behaving a certain way it can be viewed as a type of abuse. So if society manipulates people to choosing certain options, that is also abuse.