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Feminism contradicts an equalist society: discuss

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Equalist1 · 30/05/2018 12:34

I’ve been watching a lot of threads lately and I have come to the conclusion that; feminism in its earliest form was a beacon of light in an unjust era. Fighting against clear inequality between genders. My question is, as the gaps reduce into non existence should we begin to describe ourselves as equalist as opposed to feminists.

I think this is a really important point to discuss as evidence suggest that the youths of the day I.e 0-30 years olds there are virtually zero inequalities between men and women, and, the variables that are unequal are because one side chooses to be different.

Thoughts?

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DJLippy · 30/05/2018 14:14

I don’t think you’re going to do very well in your maths GCSE....

2 + 2 = 5

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Equalist1 · 30/05/2018 14:14

Extreme feminism? It’s interesting one of my Female students summarised it as, the belief in feminism to the point were they are ignorant of were progress has been made, were they are equal and were they are better off. They continue to fight the fight for the sake of fighting. She finalised with these people are essentially irrelevant they represent a small “radical” portion of a movement and fixate on issues that represent the minority I.e sexual, domestic assaults. Although they are serious in incident they are insignificant in occurance. Fixation causes stagnation.

I was obviously paraphrasing. She also earned a level 1. (A in old money) if you find this shocking you can probably indenting yourself as a radical feminist. Does that help?

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BetterEatCheese · 30/05/2018 14:11

I don't believe that care is just about negotiations between couples. It is a conflict throughout society as autonomous roles expected within work do not consider contextuality and relationships which care requires. Show me workplaces which value employees who both need to receive and give care equally alongside individuals who can prioritise work above everything else and then I may agree we have progressed.

AssassinatedBeauty · 30/05/2018 14:10

"Right and wrong is important but the wrong has to happen a lot to be mainstream"

So you're saying that all violent crimes and sexual assaults are not a mainstream issue? You genuinely feel it isn't important to be addressed? How does that square with being an "equalist"?

Bowlofbabelfish · 30/05/2018 14:10

Assassinatedbeauty. I’m not trying to address the disparity in violence between men and women. It exists. It’s just an insignificant amount when applied the whole population

98% of violent crime is committed by men.

I don’t think you’re going to do very well in your maths GCSE....

ErrolTheDragon · 30/05/2018 14:09

It’s because it doesn’t happen enough to be a social problem.

And there we have proof of why we need feminism - for females to decide what issues are problematic in society for women.

DJLippy · 30/05/2018 14:08

You’ve clearly never been.

What to a prostitute? Yes OP because I'm not a rapist. Bog off back to twitter mate. You sound ridiculous. Did you think you'd come on here and we'd all go - wait a minute - he's right! We've all read books as well OP - more than you obviously. You need to do more than just watch Jordan Peterson vidoe's on YouTube if you want to debate here mate. Jog on.

Bowlofbabelfish · 30/05/2018 14:07

What do you mean by “extreme feminists”?

I told DH I was a radical feminist. He looked a little worried atcthe word radical. He asked for a definition. I explained and gave him a few things to read.

His reply was ‘but none of that is radical, it’s just common sense.’

What is an ‘extreme feminist’? Is it like extreme ironing? feministing while BASE jumping perhaps?

Bowlofbabelfish · 30/05/2018 14:05

as the gaps reduce into non existence

WHEN the gaps reduce into non existence we can have this discussion.

Right now, those gaps are big.

And feminism isn’t starting and stopping at equal ops.

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Equalist1 · 30/05/2018 14:05

Assassinatedbeauty. It’s because it doesn’t happen enough to be a social problem. People walking dogs and leaving mess on the floor happens more often but I wouldn’t say it’s a particularly big problem with society. Right and wrong is important but the wrong has to happen a lot to be mainstream

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BertrandRussell · 30/05/2018 14:04

“It’s similar to extreme feminists.”

What do you mean by “extreme feminists”?

Why are you ignoring domestic violence?

vesuvia · 30/05/2018 14:03

Equalist1 wrote - "in some societies sex work is prestigious. Anyone that has been to the red light district in Amsterdam and talked to the girls and there families would know this."

I think that even many (most?) "happy hooker" prostitutes often complain that prostitution is regarded by most people in most societies as e.g. shameful, taboo etc. and very far from prestigious.

In which societies is calling a woman a "whore" a prestigious compliment, not an insult?

I suspect that if prostitutes in Amsterdam have been telling you that "sex work is prestigious" in Dutch society, something has been lost in translation.

Offred · 30/05/2018 14:03

Your people are this way>>>>> everydayfeminism.com

SeahorsesAREhorses · 30/05/2018 14:00

I have to say it's quite nice having an old school misogynist on the boards, makes me all wistful.

ErrolTheDragon · 30/05/2018 14:00

Post ... 'equalists' really do need to do something about male violence before they start lecturing feminists. Stop minimising it.

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Equalist1 · 30/05/2018 13:59

Djlippy, the majority? You’ve clearly never been. I’m into sociology and rights for all. I don’t focus on women but seen as sex always comes up as an issue (rightly and wrongly) I make it my business to understand the other side. It’s similar to extreme feminists. I understand there point of view I just think there’s a better way.

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AssassinatedBeauty · 30/05/2018 13:59

"It’s just an insignificant amount when applied the whole population."

I'd like to know what your reasoning is for this statement. If men were violent at the levels women demonstrate then the problems of violence in our society would be almost entirely resolved. Towards women and men. Why do you consider that insignificant?

ErrolTheDragon · 30/05/2018 13:59

Feel free to push for 'equalise', OP, and leave feminism to feminists.

My suggestion for the first issue 'equalists' should work on, (which would I'm sure you agree from the victim stats already discussed be even more beneficial for men than women) is promote all possible means to bring levels of male violence down to that of women.

It'd still leave some knotty problems (many arising from males and females not being equally capable of giving birth) but it'd be a really good start.

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Equalist1 · 30/05/2018 13:56

Assassinatedbeauty. I’m not trying to address the disparity in violence between men and women. It exists. It’s just an insignificant amount when applied the whole population. Not worth the time. It’s like talking about incidence of sunny days in England. Not enough information to be a mainstream issue

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53rdWay · 30/05/2018 13:52

Why is a raven like a writing desk? Discuss.

Because one of its legs is both the same.

Wait no, bugger it, that’s “what’s the difference between a duck.”

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Equalist1 · 30/05/2018 13:52

DJlippy. Yes The percentage of sexual harassment toward women is shockingly bad and it’s is only getting worst.

The point is women are getting better at recognising sexual harassment, more support and better signposting when reporting harassment.

Conversely men are awful and recognising when they are being harassed. Although it is less prevelant it happens more than is reported. The pressures on men are to be respectful when there is any sexual attention toward them whether it is wanted or not. Not to report it and enjoy it (peer pressure). The issues are social and vast no quick fix. I agree with one of the other commenters that these issues will take decades to expunge.

Please don’t by nieve and assume this only happens to women.

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DJLippy · 30/05/2018 13:50

If you want equalism OP you should become a socialist. Maybe you should join the Labour party - I'm sure you'd fit right in!

AssassinatedBeauty · 30/05/2018 13:50

Again, nothing you've said addresses the issue of a massive disparity in violence between men and women.

DJLippy · 30/05/2018 13:48

Anyone that has been to the red light district in Amsterdam and talked to the girls and there families would know this.

Chat to a lot of prostitutes do you OP?

You have no idea. The majority of women in Amsterdam have been trafficked in from other areas. The 'happy slapper' is a myth created to make men who buy sex feel less shitty for their shitty choices.

vesuvia · 30/05/2018 13:45

Equalist1 wrote - "simply trying to push forward and innovate feminism into a fresh beacon. Feminism has become stale, by pushing forward with equalism we may just improve things for all...instead of one group."

Why does equalism have to hijack and silence feminism and change feminism into equalism? Why can't equalism leave feminism alone?

In the past, men had many more rights than women, including rights to abuse women. Feminism has changed this balance by winning some rights for women. Women still do not have equal rights to men in the UK (e.g. lack of bodily autonomy for women in Northern Ireland).

If equalism were to be adopted as the way forward, I think that women's rights would never catch up with men's rights, because equalism would give any new right to men and women but ignore that women are coming from a disadvantaged starting position.

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