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Feminism contradicts an equalist society: discuss

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Equalist1 · 30/05/2018 12:34

I’ve been watching a lot of threads lately and I have come to the conclusion that; feminism in its earliest form was a beacon of light in an unjust era. Fighting against clear inequality between genders. My question is, as the gaps reduce into non existence should we begin to describe ourselves as equalist as opposed to feminists.

I think this is a really important point to discuss as evidence suggest that the youths of the day I.e 0-30 years olds there are virtually zero inequalities between men and women, and, the variables that are unequal are because one side chooses to be different.

Thoughts?

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SomeDyke · 30/05/2018 14:49

" I've always thought of ducks as kind of sinister (their sex lives - no. Just no......."
Although subject of famous paper: " "The First Case of Homosexual Necrophilia in the Mallard Anas platyrhynchos (Aves: Anatidae)".......
which has been turned into an opera, and the chaps museum now has a Dead Duck Day........ I LOVE the Ig Nobels Smile.

I think someone upthread (apols!) has come up with a much better question -- If true equalism as regards offending rates between males and females were achieved, crime rates could plummet overnight. Why hasn't this happened? Discuss.........................

I am also pondering the preponderance of objects of furniture as regards roll-top desk and writing desk? Was Atkinson paying homage to Lewis Carroll, why Cleopatra rather than a raven? And why is a raven like a writing desk, and why does the question continue to intrigue us???????

jellyfrizz · 30/05/2018 14:48

OP out

Oh no! Sad.

Offred · 30/05/2018 14:47

Amazing!

Ah well, what I have taken from that is;

  • It’s definitely true that some teachers struggle to not see the world as their classroom, AND
  • There is zero point in trying to earnestly engage a poster of this kind as they just conclude this is evidence of their view being superior.
Bowlofbabelfish · 30/05/2018 14:43

At the end of the day domestic violence is caused by many different variables

Blimey. There was me me thinking it was down to one partner asserting control in an abusive fashion.

Are you aware of the sheer number of women affected by domestic violence? You don’t seem to be.

Sociology teacher did you say..?

Equalist1 · 30/05/2018 14:42

I’m going have to go now, I think you are right. This is a bit of a waste of time. You can’t change the mind of the small minded easily. Please as a group ask yourselves is your view of the world right? You are all focusing on irrelevant issues. If you give a stray dog a bone it will always come back for more. Stop feeding each other, feminism is turning ugly. Look at recent approval polls done in America. Feminism came below Donald trump. Easy google search.

When feminism is losing traction to something like that there is clearly something wrong. I’m not going to generalise and say it’s all feminists. And it certainly isn’t all the feminists commenting on this thread. We as a group need to discourage aggressive feminsim. Dialogue matters. Example would be Djlippy and assasinatedbeauty among others. Small minded irrelevant stupidiy. OP out

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BetterEatCheese · 30/05/2018 14:35

But that's exactly my point op. Care is associated with women, bodily professions and actions are classed as lower, and society and thinking is skewed towards autonomy, mental work and individuality. By having to choose between work and family, an injustice is done. It is the choice between mental work and bodily work. You say it is a choice we need to make, either sex, but why? Why is society set up so those who care and a relational and context based lose out?

Equalist1 · 30/05/2018 14:33

Assasinatedbeauty They are out of date. But that’s not saying they are targeting the wrong areas. The approach is what is wrong. You want to reduce male crime to rates of women. That makes sense, but a better way of damaging it would be that; you want to reduce incidence of crime. I’m not saying that domestic violence isn’t an important topic to combat, it’s just not a priority as there are more prevelant crimes. At the end of the day domestic violence is caused by many different variables but the main one is a lack of good parenting. Instead of saying it’s an issue actively try to fix it.

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ErrolTheDragon · 30/05/2018 14:32

I specifically discussed reducing the rate of male offending down to that of women.

Yes, me too - it would be good for women but even better for men. So, OP, why don't you put your equalist effort into doing something usefully equalist like that rather than wasting people's time telling feminists not to bother with feminism?

annandale · 30/05/2018 14:31

Finalised? Indented? For God's sake stop writing and start reading so you can improve your prose style. Your poor bloody students. No wonder sociology has such a poor reputation - wonderful subject but I hate to think what your students end up writing. Especially if that load of old cobblers by your student was graded highly by you.

AssassinatedBeauty · 30/05/2018 14:29

Yeah, it's an easy typo to make (?!).

RadicalFern · 30/05/2018 14:29

I’m interested that OP thinks that it’s wrong for employers to avoid hiring women of childbearing age or with children, but that that’s what she’d do if she had a business.

I don’t know if this is much of a recommendation of the equalist mindset - “I don’t approve of this but I’m going to do it anyway, and it’s close enough to equality so why are people still going on about it?”

Radical feminism is not about fighting for the sake of it. As far as I’m aware it is about questioning and fighting the sort of assuptions that mean that people are still willing to hire married men in their twenties and thirties, but not women.

jellyfrizz · 30/05/2018 14:28

The confounder here is that men are physically superior to women

Being stronger in a fight does not necessarily show physical superiority.

Men are completely terrible at the really important physical stuff like carrying and giving birth to the future of the human race.

Equalist1 · 30/05/2018 14:27

Assasinatedbeauty. Thanks I do mean 7 sorry. Also I am a she not a he.

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AssassinatedBeauty · 30/05/2018 14:27

You're not actually reading the responses properly.

I specifically discussed reducing the rate of male offending down to that of women. Which would resolve nearly all gun and knife crime.

Interesting that you're convinced that the goals of feminism are out of date, but you haven't yet identified any goals for your shiny new "equalism".

Equalist1 · 30/05/2018 14:25

Assasinatedbeauty. Im not a politician. I don’t have a number one priority and have never given much thought to what I would prioritise. But it would be based in occurance rates and statistics. This denotes that violence between genders would be lower down than gun and knife crime in London.

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Offred · 30/05/2018 14:25

GCSE might now, they are desperate for teachers nowadays you know! My son’s music teacher is trying to teach him history and RE as well!

AssassinatedBeauty · 30/05/2018 14:24

I'm guessing he means a 7, rather than a 1, for GCSE. Goodness knows what subject. Rather concerning that he doesn't know which way the numbering goes.

Offred · 30/05/2018 14:24

*ploppers not ‘plopped’ Grin

Offred · 30/05/2018 14:23

GCSE?

ErrolTheDragon · 30/05/2018 14:22

She also earned a level 1. (A in old money)

Does anyone know of a qualification for which an A would now be a level 1? I'm just trying to work out what age the OP is claiming to be teaching. Frankly I doubt any professional educator would repeatedly say 'were' instead of 'where'. Confused

Offred · 30/05/2018 14:22

Lol... this is HILARIOUS....

You’re one of the more amusing MRA plopped OP well done!

You’ve managed to make many idiotic points without me having to stamp my bingo card at all!

Equalist1 · 30/05/2018 14:21

Bettereatcheese. I would love to but I think we both know this will never happen. You have to choose between family and work. It doesn’t matter whether you are a man or a women. There are not enough hours in the day to do both. If you prioritise work you neglect your family. If you prioritise family you won’t progress as quickly at work because you won’t be there as often.

It’s a choice and complaining that it’s a choice is silly. You have to decide which you would rather do. And for those that say you can do both, your dreaming or rich.

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AssassinatedBeauty · 30/05/2018 14:18

What's the priority of your "equalism" then, @Equalist1?

Violence in society is a trivial non issue to you. I'd like to hear what your number one top issue is.

annandale · 30/05/2018 14:18

Tell me about these multiple societies where sex work is considered prestigious.

Hint: I don't count societies where poverty is so extreme that girls are sold into prostitution in a city so that the rest of the family can eat back in their village.

I wouldn't normally quote whatsisname who wrote the West Wing on a thread about feminism but as Amy said to Josh 'I have never, and neither have you, met a little girl who said "I want to be a prostitute when I grow up"'

Equalist1 · 30/05/2018 14:16

Because equalism is also about being realistic. You can’t fix everything but you can fix most things. Which feminism has achieved. Equalism is the natural progression of feminism whether you agree that it should happen now (based on the comments not likely), but it will happen eventually most likely as the next fresh faced generation comes through.

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