Nicola Williams was FANTASTIC on R4 just now!

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BabyItsAWildWorld · 30/05/2018 08:48

Fiesty, not backing down and made the core points despite attempts to distract,.

The point that biological facts are can't be stated should have made a few listeners stop and go WTF??

Thank you Nicola you are doing an amazing job.

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boatyardblues · 30/05/2018 09:13

If there is another interview opportunity, (if not a derail) it would be good to mention Twitter’s hate speech policy where sex is not mentioned and some utterly vile sexist/misogynistic abuse is allowed to stand. This combined with the targetted reporting and suspensions stacks the deck for gender critical women & makes Twitter a particularly hostile platform for debate. Also, the point people made about their IP addresses being blocked by Twitter, so that they can’t even access the platform once they’ve been excluded - this seems problematic from a democratic point of view & also means former users can’t see if they are being publically defamed post-exclusion.

Poppyred85 · 30/05/2018 09:13

It was a bit shouty at times but actually I think that reflected Nicola not allowing herself to be talked over. I thought it was good-clear and concise. Is it FPFW or WPUK who have the list of aims? I can’t remember but I am wondering if stating a summary of those would be helpful at getting the point across?

DadDadDad · 30/05/2018 09:10

I thought the most striking point that was clearly put across was about the Girl Guides. I guess the idea of a male sharing a tent with girls will be news to many Today listeners.

Would be interesting if they could get GG on for a grilling...

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BabyItsAWildWorld · 30/05/2018 09:01

I think Nic is becoming media savvy and has realised she has 3 mins to get the points in that make the general pubic go WTF?

No time for establishing how nice and civil you are, no time to politely allow the trans advocate to make lots of irrelevant points which derail and dominate.

Yes ended up a bit talking over, but she still sounded calm and in those few minutes got some great points in (girl guides, prisoners, penises, womens' safety, privacy, all in 3 mins!) with an excellent last word.

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BabyItsAWildWorld · 30/05/2018 08:54

There was a bit of talking over, but Nic held her ground and the female voice didn't get sidelined as has so often happened before when the trans opinion dominates with the transphobic argument.

I thought she was determined to make her points and not back down.

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nauticant · 30/05/2018 08:53

I thought it was a bit of a mess to be honest. She did get in some good points but the discussion degenerated and became a bit shouty.

Melamin · 30/05/2018 08:51

I caught the end of it and it sounded a bit of a bun fight. She must have been up against it. I will listen again to the whole thing.

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BabyItsAWildWorld · 30/05/2018 08:50

I actaully did a 'Yes!!' and arm punch when she had the last word and said 'we have to be able to say that trans women are male.' (or something along those lines).

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