It's Serious

I can see that if you truly believed kids were being operated on simply for liking pink you would indeed think this was very serious. Anybody would.

I mean they aren't, actually.

So if that's the basis of your outrage, perhaps you might want to look into that a bit more. It might not be quite what you think.

...in fact it's so concerning to me that you might actually believe that rather than simply sensationalising you position that I want to say it again:

Kids are not being operated on for the mere fact of liking pink

Kids are not being prescribed hormones for the bare feeling of embarrassment

Maybe have a bit more humility in the face of our country's leading medical professionals in the field; if it seems nonsensical that specialist doctors would be operating on children for such spurious reasons, and that this would be upheld by the legal infrastructure of our first world nation and under the jurisdiction of the European Court of Human Rights, well if it seems nonsensical it probably is nonsense.

Posters discuss other topics on this forum and so may wish to remain anonymous. I don't think it's particularly nice to suddenly decide that you are OK in outing yourself and then assume that everybody else should do the same.

This thread was referenced in James Kirkup's article 'Fear & Loathing Grips the Gender Debate'
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3204901-ffs-flagged-at-work-for-gender-critical-views

(extract)
"Other stories in this area involve women who speak out using their own names getting abusive messages at home and at work. In both the public and private sectors, being accused of transphobic bigotry is no small matter, and even many people who know they are doing nothing more than asking questions about an issue of public interest feel reluctant to risk being tarnished with such accusations, no matter how baseless they may be. (For real-world examples of this, see Mumsnet: this thread is just the latest to pop up while I was writing this. There are too many others.)"
blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/fear-and-loathing-grips-the-gender-debate/

It is serious and I don't like having to walk on egg shells.

It's a horrible feeling when you are silenced in groups that you used to enjoy posting in...I wasn't allowed to post about where the money was coming from or concerns of Psychologists regarding children. Nope, stick to the Party line, no delving deeper allowed. Accept everything at face value or else.

It’s a chat board. Seems like a reasonable post.

Yeah, it is serious - am also finding less giggle mileage in laughing at stupid gender activist stuff online, because it’s harming us. Not the words as such; the ideology they represent and the things people do in the real world as a result.

I don’t like being anonymous either. I do some limited gender criticalling under my real name, but unfortunately I can readily envisage getting the sack for hurting people’s feelings (I’m a contractor in a very ‘woke’ work environment). And then there’s the personal safety concerns - we have an as yet unconfirmed but apparently unprovoked assault on a GC vlogger in Edinburgh this week, and someone convicted of assaulting another GC woman last month.

I’m going to be cowardly and secretive here because it’s what I need to do to keep employed and safe.

Were you on the last night OP?

Asking women to pst their names is foolish and dangerous. And I don't think MN allows it either

Don’t ask women to out themselves on this thread. It’s extremely dangerous is every conceivable way.

Up to you. Your choice.

Yes of course it's scary that people can't out themselves. But the reasons have been discussed over many threads. You already know this.

Op it is serious. That's why women who post here anonymously are probably doing other stuff, quietly, in real life that has their name on it. There's no point taking an extra risk here. However I applaud your bravery. Twitter had its own Spartacus moment with people posting names and pictures. It's not for me though.

Tbf I supported Corbyn in the past too. Until I knew what he was really like.

OP I wasn't asking you to apologise, just wondered if that was you

When you say "no way" what do you mean?

OP that's a great idea in theory but in practice people have lost their jobs etc

I am not anonymous talking to politicians, they can have my name

But I can't post my name here unless you want the whole family reliant on a food bank. Many posters will be in that position. Also at risk of violence.

I'm guessing that s you on Twitter posting in support of Corbyn about 3 years ago? I'd get your name deleted from here.

You're right it's super serious. So super serious that it's best we keep our anonymity. People are being targeted. I'd get this thread removed if I were you.

No I won't. I come here to be anonymous. You shouldn't be challenging women to out themselves here.