Turns out Hampstead swimming ponds are single SEX after all ...

I think when we recognise sexism, we should name it.

[pronoun redacted] whole schtick screams of "calm down dear, don't interrupt when the men are speaking dear, don't worry your little head about it dear".

Yes exactly. With a good dose of "Amy doesn't know what she's talking about." It really is making me sick that women's safety is just being thrown out over this gender-feeling ideology.

A breathy voice, and women's clothing do not make a woman. Jane Fae is over 6 feet tall, was not born or socialised as female, and has no idea how threatened women can feel in the presence of men they don't know. Majority don't want self ID, and want to keep male and female spaces on the basis of sex, not gender ID. I think the Hampstead pools antics showed this admirably.

^Jane Fae never brings a real argument to these things. Just long sighs, long winded patronising (dare I call this mansplaining? It is what it is!), and long diversions from the topic. All in Fae's ridiculous and skin crawlingly offensive attempt at ladyvoice.

Fae's whole tactic is to try and confuse listeners out of listening or forming an opinion, and to use misogyny as a tool to discredit women on the opposing side - Fae's whole schtick screams of "calm down dear, don't interrupt when the men are speaking dear, don't worry your little head about it dear".^

Reposting my earlier post without the pronoun slip in case it gets reported by one of the gutless spies that hangs around here looking for reasons to squeal to teacher.

Oops I let a pronoun slip there. Some people just make it impossible to politely pretend that we can't see and hear what we are actually seeing and hearing.

Jane Fae never brings a real argument to these things. Just long sighs, long winded patronising (dare I call this mansplaining? It is what it is!), and long diversions from the topic. All in Fae's ridiculous and skin crawlingly offensive attempt at ladyvoice.

Fae's whole tactic is to try and confuse listeners out of listening or forming an opinion, and to use misogyny as a tool to discredit women on the opposing side - his whole schtick screams of "calm down dear, don't interrupt when the men are speaking dear, don't worry your little head about it dear".

May be Stonewall's
www.stonewall.org.uk/sites/default/files/getting_it_right_with_your_trans_service_users_and_customers.pdf

www.stonewall.org.uk/sites/default/files/first_steps_to_trans_inclusion_2016.pdf

And yes to having training which covers the EA in one go. We had an hour on it of a day long session then had to do a brief online assessment which covered all the 9 characteristics. This is just throwing yet more money at all these shitty organisations so they can indoctrinate people, because they have made organisations feel like they need to be taken more seriously and pandered to than other protected groups. It's such a cash cow.

Maybe we should ask when the City of London police had their sexuality training, or religious training, or fucking woman training?

Yes I was thinking exactly that. I think maybe we need to try to set up a group to work on outreach feminist training to respect women's rights and consent.

I asked and they didn’t know, just said LGBT at me a lot.

That there is even trans training is weird, no? We had diversity training which covered everything every year when I was a civil servant, all the protected characteristics were done together on one day. Why is gender reassignment elevated beyond other protected characteristics?

Maybe we should ask when the City of London police had their sexuality training, or religious training, or fucking woman training?

Anyone know what trans org is giving the training to the police, or gave it to Hampstead ponds?

Brilliant post from Lily Maynard

We should send Sgt. Macefield a guide to the equality act

I do also hope Sgt. Macefield (who handled this whole thing extremely well) will be able to look at the transgender training with a more critical eye as well.

Wonderful blog post.

This is the best of British civil protest - polite, measured, sense of humour, engaging those around you politely and calmly. I’m sure you made a lot of men more aware and you hurt no one, obstructed no one and were polite to the police.

And it’s interesting to see how men value those single sex spaces too isn’t it? They should have a right to them for dignity and privacy, and the different atmosphere a single sex space brings. Just as women need theirs for dignity, privacy and the extremely important aspect of safety. We lose a lot if we lose single sex spaces.

From that independent article:

“Isn’t it time men ‘self-identify’ as women and challenge ‘female only’ spaces?” said Matt O’Connor, founder of Fathers4Justice. “What if separated dads turn up at family courts self-identifying as mothers? The focus on minority rights, whilst denying fathers equal parenting rights, is wrong. F4J are planning #GirlFriday events at female only spaces this summer to challenge the gender apartheid practised by Mumsnet.”

Now that will be interesting...

'It's isn't necessarily wrong' said Sergeant Macefield, tactfully. 'It's about the clarification, in regards to whatever. It's obviously getting convoluted.'

Such a funny well written piece.

Good blog post from Lily: lilymaynard.wordpress.com/2018/05/30/yes-but-today-is-monday-swimming-in-the-mens-pond-on-hampstead-heath/

Now can we say, 'Lily M is a man'?!

I thought you came across so well. Fae's opening gambit of "amy is a bully" and other personal attacks was met with you ignoring fae and just saying what you wanted to say. Made fae look a bit silly for going straight for the hyperbole instead of facts.

Thank you.

I have always found that it is used to guilt women into being quiet. No one wants to feel they are implying a woman who has had a hysterectomy is not a woman. That is how trans have always shut down debates.

The whole "woman without a womb isn't a woman thing", is so foolish. It's such an essentialist, mechanical way of thinking about humans. Female biology, in fact all biology, is complex and holistic, removing an organ might disrupt a system but it doesnt reduce the body to nothing.

The entire "front hole" way of thinking is distasteful; it is an attempt to characterise female biology as flesh for penetration. The urethra, the vagina and the anus, are part of intricate systems, not simply tunnels into the body.

Talking about female bodies this way seems to me to express tremendous disdain.

Just listened to PM. Amy you came across so well - I loved the "hardly" you said over Fae's claim there are no examples.

Slightly confused about the 'self-publicist thing what exactly does Fae think you are trying to do yesitisadebate? Not everyone is a media desperado like Fae.

BTW I'd love a knitted beard - if it were possible for it to have arran knit style plaits it would be amazing.

Well done for your activism - so effective taking it to men - it's showing up this flawed policy and legislation for what it is

It's brilliant. Well done. As for the infertility/menopause/surgery invoking whatabouts, I've taken to shouting "HYSTERECTOMY KLAXON"! at them. In all serious though, the only response is to question back - "wait do you think a woman who has had a hysterectomy isn't a woman? Why do you think that?"

I'm so inspired by you. What a brilliant idea this was.