Turns out Hampstead swimming ponds are single SEX after all ...

They did say that some women feel unsafe in mixed spaces. They did say that women's rights still have some way to go. I think there were some good points made & they helped hit some of the points the DM missed.

Oh Faith bog off.

There have been plenty of instances of men claiming to be trans or dressing as women to access women’s spaces and attack them. But hey, it’s only women isn’t it. Or it’s only small numbers because there’s a tipping point for people like you when it comes to women attacked as collateral damage. I think one woman being attacked is too many.

The police don’t deal with men in the ladies pond, the women are told to pipe down. Why is that? Why do the police come to the men’s pool, where men aren’t at risk because women generally aren’t dangerous, but don’t to the women’s pool where women are at risk?

No it doesn’t knock any such argument on the head at all. It shows that when women enter men’s spaces they don’t want us there. Like we don’t want men there. It’s not just about potential assault, it’s about having spaces away from the male gaze and away from the expectations of behaviour forced on us by the opposite sex (both ways).

Calling us bigots is childish. You’re clearly not considering anyone else’s viewpoint here, just your own narrow view. I wonder whether that might be seen as bigoted.

They missed the fact that men attack women. It’s fucking clear as day and they glossed over it. Why doesn’t anyone ever think why we have women only spaces.

It's because as with Munroe Bergdorf going off on one at Sarah Ditum in Genderquake, any mention of this as a male violence issue will be misrepresented as Transphobia and media is scared to say they are men.

Faith spectacularly missing the point there. Almost like you're doing it deliberately.

TRA 101.

"Kind of knocks the argument as to why there should be no men in female spaces on the head eh?"

Men? Don't you mean transwomen?

Referring to transwomen as men. Oh dear. I'll see you at the Re-education Camp. I'm booked in for 2 months.

Someone's rattled, clearly. If it were that self evident, why bother lecturing us why it's not going to work? Let us make fools of ourselves and undermine our own argument. Why do you care?

So you managed to go into a "safe space" packed with men, and managed to get away with not being raped/assaulted/perved on, and when there was a problem the police arrived and dealt with it according to law.

Kind of knocks the argument as to why there should be no men in female spaces on the head eh? Good work.

Let's hope this as used as evidence to support the upcoming changes to the act, and to show that there is no safety issues in sharing spaces, it's simply Rad Fem bigotry.

Oh glad she and Matthew said it's happening. Matthew Wright is doing good work on this message isn't he.

They missed the fact that men attack women. It’s fucking clear as day and they glossed over it. Why doesn’t anyone ever think why we have women only spaces.

When men stop raping women, or even perving at them, I will consider no longer fighting for womens spaces to be retained. Not a day before.

Ooh what did Katy say? I've got impression previously that she's gender critical.

The male commentator (not Terry) seems a bit perplexed - saying that men would be more problematic in women's spaces. Katy and Matthew setting him right, saying it's happening.

OK. All done, onto the cheese rolling now. It was pretty short and sharp, but they got some good points across.

Katy did a good intro, but they've now segued into neutral spaces in other parts of the world. Started to get annoyed, but they've gone back to the women's rights argument.

Oh, totally, R0wan. But Labour are the ones with the very vocal transgender members who issue laughable public demands on a daily basis. And Labour have vocal members who disagree with the self-ID policy (David Lewis and Jennifer James for example). These have all made the papers.

The Conservatives aren't airing their dirty laundry, and the other parties are bonkers but they are the Greens and the Lib Dems so the general public takes absolutely no notice of them.

Amy, you are my fucking hero for wearing this

We’re off - Katy Brand starting it off. Good intro.

Don't throw away the mankini! That'll be worth something one day - it's a part of women's rights history now!

I will perform this service, seeing as my morning is a Wright off.

Can someone post updates on the wright stuff please?

I realised I dissed Terry Christian, but he’s talking so much sense. Katy Brand too. Be interested to hear the #ManFriday discussion.

Damn, I’m meant to be sorting out my kitchen cupboards this morning. I’m watching the Wright Stuff in my pyjamas. 🤷‍♀️

That's partially why the right wing papers are interested; it is a means to stick the boot into Corbyn

Its a cross-party issue though:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2993425-Maria-Miller-interviewed-by-Janice-Turner-full-text?pg=4

Total respect to the ponds protesters. I think the DM article is remarkably good actually. It will have massively raised the profile of the proposed changes and consultation, and the manfriday movement, to many people who probably have been completely unaware of the debate (and importantly to many MEN).

"They aren't men!" should be put on a t shirt. Love the mankini, particularly contrasting with the completely unthreatening flowery t shirt and shorts worn in the after photo.

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I read the DM article when there was a fuss over men being able to self-identify into a female carriage on the Caledonia Sleeper. The article managed to paint Corbyn as the villain of the piece, despite him having no involvement in that particular incident.

There was an article about the actual incident and then an insert:

Corbyn ally urges: 'Thump a feminist'

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That's partially why the right wing papers are interested; it is a means to stick the boot into Corbyn. Who deserves it.

I was a bit disappointed that they didn't blame the whole PC gorn mad stuff on Jeremy Corbyn though. They usually do.

Tony Blair is still throwing shade, based on this morning’s comments. The DM’s readers really know how to hold a grudge.

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