Turns out Hampstead swimming ponds are single SEX after all ...

He could be the safest man in the world but I deserve to not be made to feel uncomfortable by a man in a women only space. I get enough of that out in the wide world. Don't try and use me to validate yourself.

Well said.

The penny is gradually dropping with people. More awareness raising is key.

We had half a dozen women swimming

I stand corrected.

FaithSeed

If 2 examples arent enough, im curious to know how many women and girls being harmed would you be comfortable with as collateral damage.

This, but also what about all the women whose privacy, dignity and feeling of safety will be harmed by penis in their space? When you're so concerned about the feeling of validation for transwomen, what about the feeling of safety for biological women in female only spaces? Especially when most male on female sexual assaults are not even reported.

Just to be clear I.do.not.consent to men (XY) in female only spaces that I'm in or my daughters are in.

FaithSeed
This thread is about women who self-id as men going into a men's changing room and pool. The men who complained were clearly not at risk from the women, but were uncomfortable with their presence. Are those men bigots? Or do you think they have a right to a male-only space?

Recent articles:

December 2017
"The NHS has apologised to a woman who was left “embarrassed and distressed” after a nurse with stubble and a deep voice was going to carry out her cervical smear test at hospital. The woman requested a female NHS nurse to perform the intimate procedure but was dismayed when a staff member with “an obviously male appearance” greeted her. When the patient pointed out the mistake, the nurse replied: “My gender is not male. I’m a transsexual.”

inews.co.uk/news/health/nhs-woman-transgender-nurse-smear-test/

January 2018
"A Lancaster mum whose bi-polar disorder left her believing men were conspiring to kill her said she was left terrified when she was locked on a women’s psychiatric ward with an “extremely male-bodied” transgender patient. Philippa Molloy, 42, said she was “genuinely, absolutely terrified” because she had suffered a relapse in her condition that made her irrationally terrified of men – including her own husband."

www.lancasterguardian.co.uk/news/lancaster-mum-with-fear-of-men-locked-on-hospital-ward-with-transgender-patient-1-8963648

Fecking arsehole

At least one commentator has said she didn't know about the proposed changes and disagrees with it.

You're doing good work gentlemen. Slowly getting there.

We're not all white either, thanks Faith .

Look, I get it. It's really really hard to claim your oppressed as a white middle class woman living in England in 2018, and without seeing yourself as a victim, feminism doesn't have a lot to offer

I've seen this idea that feminism is all about being a victim from other anti-feminists. What makes you think feminism is about being a victim, FaithSeed?

Ignorance is not support.

In fact, the more ignorance there is, the more vicious the backlash - because, when the inevitable crisis comes as it always does after the wholesale ignoring of safeguarding, everyone is looking to distance themselves and everyone is looking for a scalp that isn't them.

I've had a look at the comments section on the Mail.
It clearly demonstrates that plenty of people have NO IDEA about the proposed changes, and are somehow seeing it as a Feminist v men equality issue . I imagine they are linking it to the pesky women asking to be allowed to play golf when they want etc!

Message to the TRA'S,
Ignorance is not support.
People being unaware of something does not mean they accept it.

I'm getting heartily sick of the "right side of history/most people support us" comments form Shon Faye and cronies.

Bollocks they do.

So more likely to be struck by lightning than attacked by a trans woman.

I've never been struck by lightning. A TIM did receive a criminal conviction for violence against me.

I don't care how likely the male next to me in the changing room/ hospital ward/ prison/ doing my smear test is to attack me. It's completely irrelevant . He could be the safest man in the world but I deserve to not be made to feel uncomfortable by a man in a women only space. I get enough of that out in the wide world. Don't try and use me to validate yourself.

You are deliberately missing the point. Men are dangerous to women and other men. In the UK women are 80-88% of the victims of rape and sexual assault. And men are the perpetrators 99% of the time.
Here's your reference: www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/sexualoffencesinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2017

Men who identify as women are not different to other men in their rates of violence.

I don't think women should have to argue a case for why they want some sex segregated spaces. We fought for them so we could participate fully in public life.

If men wish to invade those spaces it's up to them to demonstrate that they are no risk to women's safety, dignity and modesty. Because you want to, is no argument. And I make no apologies for modesty - it matters to many women for a wide variety of reasons.

I have shared a work bathroom with a transwomen, but she was a known colleague in a work environment. But even then, the expectation was that women would simply accept the situation - there was never any conversation about whether the men would budge over instead (and all the male equipment was intact for quite a long time).

Pro-tip: threatening violence against women because they won't use your pronouns or because they protest being silenced from discussing the issue, is not the way to start.

from fairplayforwomen.com/3781-2/

"The Justice Committee is conducting a new inquiry into the prison population, to find out whether the Ministry of Justice and prison services currently have a credible approach to accommodating the changes anticipated over the next 5 years."

'Evidence submitted to Prison Planning Inquiry'

"Fair Play For Women have now submitted their own written evidence based on the findings of the transgender prisoner study conducted in October 2017. If self-declaration of gender becomes law there will be an inevitable increase in the number of trans-identifying male offenders transferring to women’s prisons. This will have a massive impact on the women’s prison estate in terms of both capacity and women’s safety. We hope the justice committee will take these important issues on board..." continues

"It's really really hard to claim your oppressed as a white middle class woman living in England in 2018, and without seeing yourself as a victim, feminism doesn't have a lot to offer, So this trans hate is the only pot to put on the fire."

Wow. One in four of us are abused. Wow. Your misogyny is really showing mate.

FaithSeed

If 2 examples arent enough, im curious to know how many women and girls being harmed would you be comfortable with as collateral damage.

So impressed @SwearyG and all the #manfriday gents. You are doing an amazing job highlighting the ridiculousness of the situation re trans people and single sex spaces.

I LOVE the t shirt and have just ordered one!

I'm starting to post some GC stuff on Facebook- mostly sharing articles from a woman's place- tumbleweed so far but hopefully someone might be reading and questioning.

The woman's pond is very special to me too

Target in the USA has seen a doubling of voyeuristic crime after making changing rooms unisex. Males who want to access woman’s spaces will, and are, using this to access women.

If every transwoman on the planet was guaranteed a safe person (and they have exactlyvthe same offending rate as men so they don’t, but let’s say they do) it STILL is not appropriate to allow men into women’s spaces because predatory men will use the access to offend.

Wow - the comment section of the Daily Mail is like a convention for the hard of thinking, isn't it?

Any advance on 2?

How many assaults will satisfy you?

Any advance on 2?

So you don't think it's a problem if we open women's private spaces to the dozens upon dozens (more likely hundreds) of convicted cross dressing voyeurs and flashers in public spaces, thus making it much easier for them to commit more serious and escalating crimes such as the attempted rape by Lazarus? No problem with normalising male bodies in women's private spaces at all? Ok. Got it.

As others have said - you're either at the point where you believe class-privileged, white, Western males are the most oppressed women on the planet or you're not.

Me neither. Faith really doesn't grasp this.