Turns out Hampstead swimming ponds are single SEX after all ...

F4J planning on self-id as mothers in order to get what they want in family courts

Has that been tried in Canada yet? I presume they must have similar father-led pressure groups.

F4J planning on self-id as mothers in order to get what they want in family courts

I wonder which way that would go...

nauticant
Some interesting background here in a Guardian article:
(extract)
"Much of their campaigning remained on the quiet. The passage of the 2004 law to give trans people legal status was "remarkable," says Burns, because "the government was able to pass an entire act in parliament without anyone throwing a fit in the press"."
www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jan/22/voices-from-trans-community-prejudice

TRAs are pushing for women to be silent. They're also strangely shy about pushing their ideology into public awareness. Now why would they not want the public to know more?

The aim is for the law to be changed without discussion of this entering into the public domain. That worked well in the past (see Stephen Whittle's comments).

Had a look on twitter.

F4J planning on self-id as mothers in order to get what they want in family courts. Interesting.

Brilliant point Suited

Back to the DM comments.

I am still waiting for the "All Transwomen ARE women! (stamps foot)" pile-on to materialize.
After all, they are totally right, apparently, and most people support them etc. Here's a good opportunity, so what's stopping them from enlightening the DM readership?

Still waiting..........

Suitedandbooted

I believe the same person may feature on this comment by Lachlan Stuart (Policy Advisor; Labour) re Magdalen Berns recent attack.

twitter.com/Lachlan_Edi/status/1000981018688581633

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3260442-magdalen-berns-has-been-beaten-up?pg=4

The Man FRIDAY ding dong (search the words man and friday) on twitter is well worth following. The way in which the trans allies are flailing about contradicting themselves and not knowing what they're arguing for is eye-opening. It's shows how clever the campaign is at revealing the contradictions inherent in self-ID.

Ok so we've Ponting and Lazarus (I can't find any court records/reports that Ponting sexually assaulted anyone in prison, more he was making unwanted advances and so was segregated) but let's roll with it. So there's 2 examples. Any advance on 2?

The Ponting case is a thread in its own right. If you google Ponting, you find that “some links have been removed under the right to be forgotten legislation.” I tried really hard to find contemporaneous reports/information about Ponting’s original conviction, but it was impossible. Sent up a red flag for me...

We need to raise this awareness. Self identification is wrong. The current English law is fine as it stands.

On the ponds they should make it equal - if the rule is changed so that anyone self declaring can swim in any of the 3 ponds then apply that equally and similarly call the police equally.

If I were in chrage of the ponds I would allow those with full gender change only under the current law in that pond, not allow self identifier in the single sex ponds.

Who gives a fuck trump? They are only women

Why can't trans identified males and their female friends used the mixed pond?

So the idea is to ambush a transwomen going about her lawful business swimming in the Hampstead Ponds and harass her to try to make a political point. That makes me feel sick.

THERE'S A MIXED POND!!

WHY can't Transwomen go there
WHY do they need real women to validate them???

Because people like Ariel must have their delusions accepted?

This makes me feel sick.

Your lack of empathy and consideration for the feelings, comfort, boundaries and privacy of women make me feel sick too.

And yes, you don't get one law for the women's pond and another for the men's. Males need to stay the fuck out.

There's so much inflammatory language isn't there: ambush, attack, violence - all apparently meaning politely say no.

Sorry if this sounds goady, but isn't Hampstead Heath an area with many Jewish women? How have they responded to this?

Bravo ladies 👌

Really proud of you all on here. I was peaktransed months ago and finally the penny is starting to drop I think.

So the idea is to ambush a transwomen going about her lawful business swimming in the Hampstead Ponds and harass her to try to make a political point

No. The point is to complain, as the men complained in their pond.
The men complained because the Byelaws were being broken. The police arrived and removed the women swimming in the men’s pond

When women have complained that there are men in the women’s pond, no action has been taken. Why? The same byelaws are being broken, so no, our hypothetical transwoman is not going lawfully about his business.

If he wishes to swim, he may swim. In the mixed pond or the men’s. Because he is a man. And the byelaws say that’s where he goes.

Making a political point? Yes it is. Because when men are inconvenienced they call the police. When women are endangered they have not been able to do so.

Why should a man be able to swim in the women’s pond?

And the TW should be swimming in the mixed pond. Why would someone go where they are clearly not wanted? Leave single sex spaces single sex. They should be reported to the police every time and asked to leave as the ManFriday blokes were.

Jewish and Muslim women can't use the Women's Pond if biological men are in there.

It’s bizarre how many apparently intelligent men have genuine trouble with the concept of a woman saying ‘No’ to them.

No, I don’t want to date you.
No, I don’t want to see your penis.
No, I don’t want to smile when you tell me to.
No, I don’t want you doing my smear test.
No, I don’t want you in my changing room.

No. We said No. it’s. It not a difficult concept. I don’t need to justify why I don’t want you watching me when I get changed, or why I don’t want to smile nicely for you.

Man says No, and everybody takes that seriously. Woman says No, and everybody says, Oh but what about...

Fuck. That. Shit.

The comments on the Daily Mail article are split between support for the women's actions and misunderstanding of why they are doing it. I've not seen one comment saying "TW are women". No-one actually believes that they are.

Right now someone female needs to complain about a man in the women’s pond

That’s my plan for the summer, Bowlofbabelfish. I have the time and inclination to go and stalk the ladies pond every day if needs be.

So the idea is to ambush a transwomen going about her lawful business swimming in the Hampstead Ponds and harass her to try to make a political point.

This makes me feel sick.

Because transwomen are men. And they retain the offending patterns of men, regardless of any hormonal or surgical intervention

This is not the case.
transadvocate.com/fact-check-study-shows-transition-makes-trans-people-suicidal_n_15483.htm