Turns out Hampstead swimming ponds are single SEX after all ...

Well done, SwearyG and Amy.

@Amy - the beard and mankini were a stroke of genius. I thought it was Danielle Moscato for a moment, there.

‘Trans women are often indistinguishable from cis women and if a group of trans women had tried to use the men-only pool they’d have been met with exactly the same reaction.’

So in Katie's world, men would object to sharing their pool with ..um..men?

I think Katie may have been 'twitter quoted' in one of the main articles about how the Mercure Hotel came to cancel the WPUK meeting in Cardiff.

I thought so...
www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/hotel-deletes-bigotry-tweet-campaign-14523459

Michael Briggs (Oxford Sociology) described the background to the Mercure cancellation in a recent essay:

"Meetings organized by Woman’s Place UK are subjected to harassment and intimidation by transgender activists (many of whom are not actually transgender). Their slogan is #nodebate. Transgender activists lie about the organization in order to persuade the venue to cancel the booking; this stratagem was successful in Cardiff in April; the Mercure hotel hastily cancelled the booking on account of ‘bigotry’, but then had to issue an apology to Woman’s Place. If the venue does not cancel, then activists will ‘show their fury with the venue by giving them a 1 star review on Facebook’ (as happened after the meeting in Edinburgh, 14 February 2018)."

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3257819-Michael-Biggs-Sociology-Dept-Oxford-Free-speech-at-Oxford-Do-women-have-the-right-to-meet-to-discuss-legislation

Imagine living your life in a state of continual cognitive dissonance. That does seem to be a tough road.

I've often thought that non-questioning affirmation is probably bad for the mental health of many trans people. Reality will always be there to bite them on the arse.

‘Trans women are often indistinguishable from cis women and if a group of trans women had tried to use the men-only pool they’d have been met with exactly the same reaction.

Somewhere, a village is missing its idiot.

Used to have a pinned tweet "Yes, I have a penis".

For some reason that's triggered in me the lyric "yes, we have no bananas".

Metro piece included link to petition - excellent!!!!

Katie is a very troubled individual. AGP if ever I saw it.

Used to have a pinned tweet "Yes, I have a penis".

I think Katie may have been 'twitter quoted' in one of the main articles about how the Mercure Hotel came to cancel the WPUK meeting in Cardiff.... not completely sure.

From the article:

‘Trans women are often indistinguishable from cis women and if a group of trans women had tried to use the men-only pool they’d have been met with exactly the same reaction.’

Do TRAs really genuinely believe that? That often people can't identify what sex someone is?

It might be be good if some of the journalists who use TRA Twitter quotes sometimes had a look at their 'tweets and replies' .

Wtf is lookist?

Katie talks a pile of horsepish, including making up terms like 'lookist' and accusing feminists of being so.

Completely Fucking Barking

that's why self ID is a load of rubbish. No way to sort out who is "genuine" trans or not.

Our current law weeds out the not genuine and is carefully drafted and very sensible and yet kind to real transgender people. We don't need self declare. It is a step too far.

Loving that the Metro quoted Katie. Who thinks David Lewis is imaginary, and also coached by WPUK and who thinks Catia Freitas and I are the same person. Excellent, non mad, person to quote there, metro.

Also, I never thought I'd say this, not a polite as the Sun, who at least ask to use photographs from twitter. Though I should probably contact the Redbubble artist and ask for commission for the advertising they're getting

From the Metro piece:

on Twitter, trans woman Katie said that ‘self-ID is only for genuine trans people’ – and the women clearly weren’t that, from the way they arrived en masse with a fake beard and mankini.

Katie is saying here that they're in favour of gate-keeping. Ask Katie about gate-keeping in another context and no doubt they'll be firmly against it.

It's the fact that a group of men have said OHO we can use this to get what they want (irrespective of how cockeyed their world view may be).

Ahh got it! Hopefully this will help more people see the truth ... that men can and are willing to use self ID as a means to an end.

Feeling rather proud this thread has been quoted. Hopefully it will bring more women here to learn what self ID will mean for them if it goes ahead.

Rebel - the point is that F4J see the family courts as unfairly weighted against the father and towards the mother.

(They don't usually mention the child).

Their response to Man Friday is OH! We can identify as mothers and then the courts will have to gvie us what we want.

It's the fact that a group of men have said OHO we can use this to get what they want (irrespective of how cockeyed their world view may be).

Excellent piece of activism.

The men's outraged misunderstanding of the point just underlines that people, not just women, want single sex spaces.

It seems frustrating that they misunderstand and get angry but it actually makes the point for you.

Well done all involved.

OfSpartacus
An interesting selection of TRA twitter quotes. The Metro journalist has selected some especially active accounts. Also quotes from this thread!

That Metro piece is good!

I know the tone of the thread has moved on a bit, but I have only just had the opportunity to comment.

Brava/o Man Friday wo/men!

This activism made me glow with joy and put a bounce in my step.

Feeling immensely proud of you all!

I wonder which way that would go...

They can self ID as a puppy. Unless they have suitable accommodation,are fit parents, have been main carers etc. not a lot will change. Saying "But I'm the mother!" won't give them any extra rights or allowances.

Picked up by metro metro.co.uk/2018/05/29/group-women-identify-males-day-go-mens-lido-7587361/