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Germaine Greer on rape - controversial

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Cwenthryth · 28/05/2018 07:49

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Just came across this on Twitter. Only seen the clip so far going to watch the whole thing shortly.... haven’t seen this discussed anywhere else here yet.

I get what she’s saying - don’t let the shitty things that happen to you define you.

But saying “I didn’t want my story to be I was raped, that’s not my story”. But it clearly is a part of your story, Germaine, whether you want it to be or not. You weren’t ‘in the wrong place’ as if lightning struck you, your rape wasn’t an inevitability, it was an act of sexual violence by a man against you that should not have happened.

And whatever someone’s reaction is to shitty things that happen to them - their reaction is their reaction, there isn’t a right and wrong way to react and this clip sounds dangerously close to shaming rape victims if they react in a different way to you. KGM wasn’t helping trying to put the “not that bad” soundbite in her mouth though.

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Offred · 28/05/2018 08:28

It’s too complicated for sound bites TBH so that doesn’t surprise me 🙄

Evan stark in coercive control did a really good job of handling these issues IMO, though he wasn’t specifically writing about rape.

kesstrel · 28/05/2018 08:26

We have been raised to see our virginity as prized and sacred. Rape, even if one isn’t a virgin at the time, is seen as so awful because of this prevailing view.

Yes, this makes me think of the ethos from ancient Rome and Greece, and from our own medieval period that women should kill themselves rather than be raped, or even kill themselves afterward. And I think other cultures sometimes have the same convention. It's related to the notion that women's and a family's "honour" depends on women's bodies being "chaste", because women's bodies belong to the males who control them. That's not to minimise the trauma or crime of rape, but you do have to wonder if these lingering attitudes contribute to making it worse.

Cwenthryth · 28/05/2018 08:10

I’m just getting to this part of the actual interview now (from around 12 mins or so in), it evolves from a conversation about rose McGowan. The more I’m watching I’m getting pissed off that C4 have edited that clip in the most inflammatory way - even switched around the order Greer said things.

The thing is that everyone’s individual reaction is just that, their own individual reaction, and it isn’t wrong. So telling people they’re wrong for any reaction just isn’t cricket.

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Offred · 28/05/2018 08:06

I have no problem with her handling her own experience in whatever way she has.

I have an issue with her trying to impose how she handled it on other women.

TBH it’s weird that she was going on about not knowing why people don’t report because there’s no evidence but then getting dangerously close to saying her feelings = how everyone should feel.

I have noticed that feeling like you have agency is necessary for healing and also that it is not uncommon for people to gain a feeling of agency through various degrees of ‘not a big deal’.

BeesAndMist · 28/05/2018 07:58

I’ve said this before and been slaughtered for saying it on here. I just said I didn’t want rape to define me, I was upset and annoyed with myself at the timebut it really isn’t somoerhing that I think about. It doesn’t play on my mind at all. The man that did it time is a complete bastard and I hate him. But it hasn’t affected any of my actions throughout my life. I haven’t felt I’ve had to not do certain things because once upon a time I was raped. I can completely understand how it could completely destroy someone. But that didn’t happen to me nd I’m not going to be made to feel that I’m wrong because of this.

just1post · 28/05/2018 07:58

Problem with GG is that she can be quite inflexible in her approach - it didn’t affect me, so ...

But I do think she is quite correct. We have been raised to see our virginity as prized and sacred. Rape, even if one isn’t a virgin at the time, is seen as so awful because of this prevailing view.

Cwenthryth · 28/05/2018 07:53

This is the full interview - 45 mins long

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dudsville · 28/05/2018 07:53

I haven't clicked but I do think she has a right to chose how she defines her experiences. Also traumas don't affect everyone in the same way. We need flexibility. Rape is wrong but the impact of rape is not the same for everyone.

just1post · 28/05/2018 07:52

I agree with her to be honest.

I think there is a lot of narrative that insists rape is the most awful and traumatic thing a woman can go through and while I wouldn’t take that away from another woman, it doesn’t apply to me.

Cwenthryth · 28/05/2018 07:49

Sorry clicky link

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