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A letter to a female transactivist

237 replies

Destinysdaughter · 26/05/2018 22:50

Just saw this on Twitter. Brilliant

"A man is not a woman. There’s no medical procedure that can change sex in humans or any other mammal. When you fight for the right of men to call themselves “women” and enter woman-only spaces on the basis of their say so, you are doing what Men’s Rights Activists have always done. You are violating women’s boundaries for personal gain. You are allowing men to colonise women’s spaces. You are creating a climate of fear where women and girls will start to withdraw from public life, because all semblance of safety – access to sex seggregated spaces when they are vulnerable – will be destroyed. Your activism is not feminism, it’s at best a misguided naiveté, and at worst opportunism to get ahead while throwing other women under the bus. And by the time you realise how foolish you’ve been, because you are “just” a woman in those men’s eyes, it’ll be too late. The way entitled men disrespect women, the way they mow women down, the way they put their own needs, feelings and wants before women’s lives and livelihoods, they’ll do the same to you when you’re no longer useful to them."

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OP posts:
Terfulike · 28/05/2018 22:24

It's actually a great idea. Women's toilets for terfs, Laydees toilets for Tims , Mens toilets for genetic men, and gentlemens toilets for Stephen Whittle.

Hyppolyta · 28/05/2018 22:22

Anush I had a hysterectomy, as I had cancer amd it was needed to save my life.

That doesnt make me a fucking man. Stop being stop insulting and stupidly comparing men with cancer survivers.

PencilsInSpace · 28/05/2018 22:20

It's fine by me. Trans ladies can definitely be ladies.

We'll keep on being women.

I really think this could be the way forward and get us out of this horrible impasse.

OldCrone · 28/05/2018 22:19

I'm a mother to three beautiful girls.

How do you know they are girls?

PencilsInSpace · 28/05/2018 22:18

Hysterectomy is a female experience. No male has ever had one.

Being a woman is more than just physical.. Its a presence..

What does this mean? Is it like a ghost or when someone moves the glass when you're doing a ouija board?

I'm sure half of the haters on here need a shave than a lot of men...

You are India Willoughby and I claim my £5.

wishiwassizeeight · 28/05/2018 22:14

Being a woman is a presence, now??

Oh, do you know I’m too tired to engage with such abject ignorance and stupidity.

PencilsInSpace · 28/05/2018 22:12

'Lady' expresses far more accurately what TIMs actually want than 'woman'. Woman is sex, lady is gender.

We could have 'ladies only' things - open to all female ladies and trans ladies, and then 'women only' things - open to adult human females, regardless of how feminine or otherwise we are.

We'd need to change the loo signs.

MadgeMak · 28/05/2018 22:10

I couldn't agree more... Trans people don't choose their path in life.. Yet they abuse they receive is heartbreaking... Especially from 'mothers' who are by nature meant to be caring and nurturing x

Oh do fuck off.

Terfulike · 28/05/2018 22:09

Anushka
You so sexist it's breathtaking.
It's beyond me how a TIM can include in a sentence the phrase "who by their very nature are meant to be".

Who by your very nature are you meant to be?

Destinysdaughter · 28/05/2018 22:09

FFS I'd love a o be able to 'live and let live', but when we have men threatening to rape us, telling us to 'suck my dick ' and 'enjoy your erasure' etc I'm sorry but I can't do that. I've had many Trans friends, but NONE of them were like this lot who want to claim everything that is ours and won't be satisfied until they do. We could have been such good allies to them but instead they've shown themselves to be misogynists at their very core and have shot themselves in the foot now.

< apart from the great ones on here obvs >

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PurpleCrowbar · 28/05/2018 22:08

I think it's fair to say the women on thus thread are well informed about chromosomes.

PurpleCrowbar · 28/05/2018 22:06

It's fine by me. Trans ladies can definitely be ladies.

We'll keep on being women.

Anushkashsmum · 28/05/2018 22:05

Anatomically yes.. can't change DNA.. A womb can't be recreated.. Yet.. But then a young girl who has to has a hysterectomy due to cancer at 16..is she no longer a woman? And I'm sure you don't need a lesson on chromosomes?? Being a woman is more than just physical.. Its a presence.. I'm sure half of the haters on here need a shave than a lot of men... 😂

PencilsInSpace · 28/05/2018 22:03

Are the 'gentle' ladies ladying better than us? Fucking hope so. I'd really hate for anyone to mistake me for a laydee.

FWIW, I'd personally be happy to forego the word 'lady' if we can keep 'woman' and 'female' - 'trans ladies are ladies' - I'd be happy with that.

I don't want to tread on toes though, is anyone else deeply attached to the term?

Anushkashsmum · 28/05/2018 21:55

I'm a mother to three beautiful girls.. One is gay... Is that contagious by any chance?? BTW Pencilsinspace, I'm not your mate. You and so many others on here are toxic☠️

PencilsInSpace · 28/05/2018 21:53

Maybe come back when you've read the article in the OP and are ready to engage with its content, rather than just telling us we're mean and not womaning properly.

Anushkashsmum · 28/05/2018 21:42

I genuinely don't know what these abbreviations mean? Or why "certainhalfdesertedstreets" or some thing silly like that, is so angry and nasty. Live & let live?

sanluca · 28/05/2018 21:07

I don't have a clue what a TIM, MRA or TRA is.. I'm OK with my BBC, ITV, and B&Q and of course.. LGBT 😀.. There are so many aggressive women in here? Maybe spending time with some lovely gentle trans ladies I know might help??

Hahaha, yeah, not buying that for a minute. You know what it all means, why else drop in and tell us how harmless transwomen are. I am sure all the ones you know are lovely, but the ones that are taking the spotlights irl and online are vile women haters. And it shows. How anyone can support them is beyond me. I would have told them to shut up and come back when they have learned to listen. But that's the mother in me.

TerfsUp · 28/05/2018 20:54

There are so many aggressive women in here? Maybe spending time with some lovely gentle trans ladies I know might help??

No, thank you. I don't need someone with XY chromosomes telling me how to be female.

Hyppolyta · 28/05/2018 20:53

I havent seen any agression.

Although many males do have pre conceived ideas of how women should behave, the female gender , so think that TIMs do a better job of being women than us women.

Of course, thats utter deluded bollocks spouted by men.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 28/05/2018 20:49

Are the 'gentle' ladies ladying better than us? Fucking hope so. I'd really hate for anyone to mistake me for a laydee.

TerfsUp · 28/05/2018 20:42

Especially from 'mothers' who are by nature meant to be caring and nurturing x

Biscuit
Anushkashsmum · 28/05/2018 20:39

I don't have a clue what a TIM, MRA or TRA is.. I'm OK with my BBC, ITV, and B&Q and of course.. LGBT 😀.. There are so many aggressive women in here? Maybe spending time with some lovely gentle trans ladies I know might help??

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 28/05/2018 20:37

I don't feel like nurturing randoms who're shouting nonsense at me then?

Thats every day in my house Grin

soapboxqueen · 28/05/2018 20:24

Agreed Jeden. I also think I bought into 'the world is your oyster' 'nothing can hold you back 'because that's what I was told.

Then, for me at least, I had children and I started to notice how much we fall into traditional patterns so very quickly. It's really obvious on the school run. I'm now a stay at home mum and carer.