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Matricentric feminism - the need for feminism to recognise the experience of mothers

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EmilyDickinson · 26/05/2018 14:01

mommuseum.org/aint-i-a-feminist-matricentric-feminism-feminist-mamas-and-why-mothers-need-a-feminist-movementtheory-of-their-own/

There's an interesting article in the Guardian today (I'll link in a minute) that refers to this more detailed article.

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LangCleg · 28/05/2018 17:01

My question on that is - is this the case due to the socialisation of the adult parents? (I'll admit - my DH was fine with the domestic stuff during his SAHD stint, but he needed some education on the importance of doing a lot of talking to them before they were able to talk back).

user1499173618 · 28/05/2018 16:55

You are welcome to come round and browse my bookcase! Lots of books and papers on early language development, educational neuroscience etc.

Offred · 28/05/2018 16:53

How have they determined that it is specifically the mother’s input?

user1499173618 · 28/05/2018 16:42

There’s an awful lot of research on language development.

Language development and emotional regulation are two developmental areas where (good) maternal input gives the best outcomes. A bit like breastfeeding - better for a baby’s health.

ErrolTheDragon · 28/05/2018 16:37

Dunno how 'their' got there...

ErrolTheDragon · 28/05/2018 16:36

Is their evidence that children adopted at (or very shortly after )birth by parents with a different language to their birth mother have significantly/any delay in language development?

user1499173618 · 28/05/2018 16:24

Babies start learning their mother’s language in the womb and the mother’s voice and language continue to have greater value as language inputs for several years after birth.

user1499173618 · 28/05/2018 16:22

maternal input

Offred · 28/05/2018 16:21

maternal input or input?

user1499173618 · 28/05/2018 16:08

YetAnotherSpartacus - language development is highly dependent on maternal input, and emotional regulation too.

Offred · 28/05/2018 15:46

What’s meant by ‘job of a mother’ is the role currently allocated to women with the title ‘mother’.

Obviously this is not unaffected by biology but it certainly isn’t even mostly biologically based.

Offred · 28/05/2018 15:44

Both Spartacus. I don’t think it is one or the other.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 28/05/2018 15:25

They do less than the job of a mother (only housework related to the children), but approximate what a mother would do (compared to a nursery)

There is no intrinsic 'job of a mother'. The work is about raising children. There is nothing beyond gestating, birthing and breastfeeding (if one chooses) that dictates that this is women's work.

user1499173618 · 28/05/2018 15:24

My DH is an excellent father and a lot of the time our roles are technically speaking interchangeable except that we have very different skill sets. Some might qualify the differences as «gendered» but, in our case, they are deeply biological.

LangCleg · 28/05/2018 15:20

Everything that can be must be monetised, everything that’s monetised must be shorn of as much social responsibility as possible

Yes. Childcare = GDP value and therefore valorised. Motherhood = social value and therefore devalued.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 28/05/2018 15:18

But in social terms why should 'mothering' be different from 'fathering'?

UpstartCrow · 28/05/2018 15:17

Men should be involved with their children, you cant be a good role model from a distance. No one would expect 'mothering' to be hands off.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 28/05/2018 15:12

Why should they be limited to femininity

More to the point - why shouldn't men do them equally with women?

YetAnotherSpartacus · 28/05/2018 15:11

I revel in the mucky biology of it

Oh yeah - the gestating, birthing and feeding - but most posts here have, in chronological terms, moved beyond that to more social roles (most involve sacrifice). Why should they be limited to femininity?

user1499173618 · 28/05/2018 15:04

YetAnotherSpartacus - I disagree that motherhood is a gendered social construct. I revel in the mucky biology of it!

user1499173618 · 28/05/2018 15:02

Emily - when asked what I do I cheerfully say Nothing! with a relaxed smile. It’s so far from the truth it’s insane but I find the question so intrusive.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 28/05/2018 14:56

Is it about valuing motherhood (a gendered role involving self-sacrifice, financial sacrifice and all the usual nurturing things) or is it about valuing caring for children? If it is the latter and if it is valuable then surely men (in het couples) should do 50% of that labour, including the unfashionable things involving bodily fluids, sleep deprivation and financial sacrifice)? What I am getting at is that motherhood is largely a gendered social construction. Do we want to value it or say that men should also do the work involved?

EmilyDickinson · 28/05/2018 14:33

So many interesting and thoughtful posts on this thread!

When I was not in paid employment I remember hating being asked the question, "What do you do?" by people who I knew expected the answer of a job title. At the time I was "doing" several things: caring for my small children; a voluntary role for a charity and caring responsibilities for an elderly relative. Each of those roles if done by a nanny, paid employee of the charity or paid carer, would have been a satisfactory answer to the, "What do you do?" question. I would then be neatly pigeonholed into my "job" slot in the world of work. However as I was undertaking each role unpaid as a mother, volunteer and female relative the work I did had no status or value.

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Offred · 28/05/2018 14:14

Everything that can be must be monetised, everything that’s monetised must be shorn of as much social responsibility as possible...

Offred · 28/05/2018 14:12

Indeed but look at what is happening in science, medicine, literature, media etc etc....

It’s this whole philosophy that directly caused the financial crisis; get in, get money, get out, someone else cleans up the mess.