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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Magdalen Berns

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wowdidnthaveaclue · 26/05/2018 13:54

I have to be honest I don't think to my knowledge IRL I've ever met a transperson

I see the discussions but never has affected me enough to need to give, consider or argue my point of view IRL... until today

This woman is brilliant!

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TerfsUp · 31/05/2018 23:26

That's appalling, thebewilderness.

thebewilderness · 31/05/2018 23:07

Another Lesbian was beaten last night in St Louis for refusing to submit.

speakingwoman · 31/05/2018 22:03

I just nominated her.

DJLippy · 31/05/2018 15:36

If anyone wants to show some support you can nominate her for the Guardian Pride awards. Gay press strangely silent about her attack, it's almost like they have a problem with lesbains or something...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3246838-Lesbians-are-Legends-Vote-in-the-Guardian-Pride-Power-List

Ereshkigal · 30/05/2018 09:14

It's not a comprehensive list by any means, but several. It's harrowing listening to them.

YY.

I've actually got a transactivist to watch it once and they were shocked (and also defensive)

BubbleBlowingBaby · 30/05/2018 07:56

The OP has never knowingly met a transperson. Her lived experience is that transpeople (and hence trans rights) are not problematic.

I've never been hit by my husband. Let's abolish women's refuges, they can't possibly need them. Hmm

sleepingdragons · 30/05/2018 02:00

The link might help...

sleepingdragons · 29/05/2018 23:30

A list of sex crimes committed by transwomen, mostly but not all in the US.

It's not a comprehensive list by any means, but several. It's harrowing listening to them.

This video is interesting party because of its introduction, that lays out various TRA arguments about sex crimes. Daimbar is currently at denial, it seems.

LassWiADelicateAir · 29/05/2018 22:17

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AskAuntLydia · 29/05/2018 21:49

To fund her videos ndjdbr

She has cancer and is still recovering from brain surgery

ndjdbr · 29/05/2018 20:21

What's her PayPal for? I mean I understand the purpose of PayPal but does she run a charity or something?

nauticant · 27/05/2018 21:48

Here's another Magdalen Berns video, 'Response to Trans Bathrooms'

That is a strong response video R0wantrees. Particularly since Jaclyn Glenn's public image seems to be about performing femininity. The contrast between her and Magdalen Berns performing humanity is stark.

Ereshkigal · 27/05/2018 20:43

Thanks. Yes Eresh. We must do this for all our daughters. They might not realise how much they need us to do it, and they might fight us, but we still have to.

Absolutely. I have spent all day with my 11 year old niece today. She's so grown up yet so vulnerable. Even if I never have a daughter I will do it for her.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 27/05/2018 20:04

What a clear, logical explanation, bd67th. I wish I'd written it. Have bookmarked. Thank you.

Ireneony · 27/05/2018 19:52

John Worboys bought drugs, alcohol, and a "rape kit" of condoms etc in order to rape female passengers. He risked his job as a taxi driver to rape, and may have even chosen that profession in order to gain access to women. Marie Dean broke into houses to get access to teen girls' knickers. If men will go to all that effort, expense, and risk to commit sexual violence against women, what makes you think that they will say "Self-id and get legal access to all women's loos? Nah, too much effort." or even "Pretend to have self-ided to blag access to women's loos? Nah, too much effort."? We would be extremely irrational to fail to anticipate the possibility that self-id will increase male-perpetrated sex crime rates in women's loos.

This is an excellent point, well made.

bd67th · 27/05/2018 19:34

daimbar: Anticipating it will happen based on zero evidence and no reported cases in the UK seems pretty irrational to me

DisturblinglyOrangeScrambleEgg: Plenty of men have been caught doing it. Plenty of men are men in public and cross-dress in private before coming out as trans later in life.

Like trans woman Marie Dean, who as crossdresser Gary Dean Marie broke into teenaged girls' homes and wanked whilst wearing their knickers and has now transitioned in jail and demanding hair straighteners and make-up and to be moved to the female prison estate. Predictably, The Guardian are treating her like a martyr because the narcissist (literal) wanker has gone on hunger strike. Please note how The G's report misses many of the worst details of her offences, e.g. the wanking, illegal possession of CS gas, resisting arrest, and assaulting a police officer in the line of their duty.

Still, I'm sure that @Daimbar would be happy for Marie Dean to use the female toilets with her or her daughter, right? After all, she's now legally a woman.

It never seems to occur to self-id proponents that perhaps the reason why sex crimes in toilets are relatively rare is because at this time most are still single-sex. UNICEF et al advocate that girls in developing countries are given access to sex-segregated toilets for privacy and safety, so why aren't British women allowed the same right?

John Worboys bought drugs, alcohol, and a "rape kit" of condoms etc in order to rape female passengers. He risked his job as a taxi driver to rape, and may have even chosen that profession in order to gain access to women. Marie Dean broke into houses to get access to teen girls' knickers. If men will go to all that effort, expense, and risk to commit sexual violence against women, what makes you think that they will say "Self-id and get legal access to all women's loos? Nah, too much effort." or even "Pretend to have self-ided to blag access to women's loos? Nah, too much effort."? We would be extremely irrational to fail to anticipate the possibility that self-id will increase male-perpetrated sex crime rates in women's loos.

R0wantrees · 27/05/2018 19:02
Grin
Rufustheyawningreindeer · 27/05/2018 18:59

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics

Oh..

Where does 'complete bollocks' fit then

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 27/05/2018 18:32

Mark Lazarus, a transvestite, tried to rape a 71 year old woman in a public toilet in Devon in 2013. It took me a couple of minutes to find that, Daim. And if you're going to say a transvestite doesn't count I suggest you argue it out with Stonewall.

Pratchet · 27/05/2018 18:12

Thanks. Yes Eresh. We must do this for all our daughters. They might not realise how much they need us to do it, and they might fight us, but we still have to.

Ereshkigal · 27/05/2018 16:16

Great post Pratchet. It amazes me how willing people are to deny our right to consent to these things.

Ereshkigal · 27/05/2018 16:15

I don't want male-bodied people on female spaces. I don't consent to being seen naked by a male bodied person or seeing him naked. I have a human right to consent and I do not give my consent. A woman's 'no' is enough. When there are male-bodied people who do not accept my 'no', that is proof enough that they do not respect female boundaries and a complete demonstration of why they should stay out of female spaces.

This exactly.

Pratchet · 27/05/2018 16:06

I don't want male-bodied people on female spaces. I don't consent to being seen naked by a male bodied person or seeing him naked. I have a human right to consent and I do not give my consent. A woman's 'no' is enough. When there are male-bodied people who do not accept my 'no', that is proof enough that they do not respect female boundaries and a complete demonstration of why they should stay out of female spaces.

Pratchet · 27/05/2018 16:03

Daim: if you want male-bodied people in female spaces it's YOU that has to prove why it would be safe, not US who has to prove why it isn't. So YOU have to prove that sex offenders wouldn't aabyse self ID, YOU have to prove that trans people don't commit sex crimes, and you have to show why self ID doesn't put a single woman at risk. Good luck with that.

LangCleg · 27/05/2018 15:53

Anticipating it will happen based on zero evidence and no reported cases in the UK

Mark Lazarus.