Permanent Ban from Twitter for 'Hate Speech'

I can't really answer that @boatyardblues - I'm still trying to come to terms with the thing. Hopefully someone more experienced can come along and explain.

Luddite Q here, but what is MeWe and is it as nosy as other SM platforms?

Thanks Leyat, that is very interesting. I hadn't heard of them.

It was definitely targeted harassment for organised mass blocking on Tuesday. I was suspended for one day. The strange thing is that the tweet reported was in support of some transwomen like Miranda labelled as TRUSCUM by their own community.

There's no way it was hate speech.
Very worrying.

Lots of people moving to MeWe too.

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3228002-Yogyakarta-principles

Layat
I thought that Stephen Whittle was behind the YP principles or is that the "man" you mean?

If it's not SW then who is it?

Michael Briggs (Sociology Dept Oxford) concluded in his recent article:
"I have entered this debate not because I am a feminist but because freedom of speech is one of the highest values of a democratic society, and the basic foundation of university life.
Transgender activism poses a grave threat to freedom of speech"
users.ox.ac.uk/~sfos0060/FreeSpeechOxford.pdf

Whilst it seems the government and universities are now taking some action, I wonder when attention will open up to include social media.

What is behind this tremendous support for transgenderism that appeared out of nowhere in this decade is debatable, but somewhere there are politicians and companies organising and financing it.

...as I say I think it mostly goes back to the YP, written by a man, supported by a panel of mostly men, but chuck in 'human rights experts' and even though they totally ignore sex based rights and needs it gets the international stamp of approval.

The Council of Europe pass resolution 2048. While the UN hasn't adopted the YP in any conventions or declarations, both the UN and the WHO changed definitions on the basis of it and reference it as best practice. As a result we get govts treating it as best practice, indeed this is why both the YP and resolution 2048 are mentioned throughout the Scottish Govts GRA proposals.

Then all of a sudden the world is entertaining gender identity as the way to understand gender in society, & starts completely ignoring sex by conflating sex and gender, despite sex based rights and protections already existing in law, and treating any view to the contrary as hateful and anti-human rights.

Trans activists are taking advantage of politicians and companies naivety

Mmm!

What is behind this tremendous support for transgenderism that appeared out of nowhere in this decade is debatable, but somewhere there are politicians and companies organising and financing it.

Miranda Yardley has the courage and integrity to interrogate themselves, something remarkably lacking in any transactivist I have come across. I have huge respect for Miranda and think the ban is draconian and chilling.

YY my position exactly.

Yes to both.

I would imagine MNHQ will be making a statement in due course
re GDPR 2016 shortly, in all the papers today

and suspect this may be behind these bans, please think before you post especially naming anyone ! or linking any abuse to either side

MN is a lifeline for many women , lets not create any problems that could see people being banned on here

link to relevant thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3258983-Miranda-Yardley-permanently-banned-from-Twitter

Came here just to post this news, though guessed there'd already be a thread on it.

Miranda Yardley is a top person. Lots of respect.

Meanwhile, here's a selection of TRA posts that you can find on Twitter:

terfisaslur.com/

So in short: death threats and rape threats - everywhere. Saying a man is a man - permanent ban.

I think these kinds of issues are also a result of the Yogakaryta Principles being upheld as international best practice when they do not even mention sex as an axis of oppression and uphold an anti-feminist understanding of gender.

Any type of organisation or company can excuse anti-feminist approaches to gender and by extension to women, by referring to/depending on these.

It makes what is happening on Twitter and elsewhere easier to understand. Twitter, for eg, in its reporting, does not view misogyny as hate speech, but it views gender critical/anti bio essentialism as hate speech when it challenges trans dogma, and it can say this is in line with YP principles and indeed with hate speech laws.

I am pro free speech, so I actually want less hate speech laws, not more, and I don't think people have the right not to be offended. But while we have the YP unchallenged and unbalanced laws, companies like Twitter will be able to say they reflect the law and best practice in how they manage their platform. This is a huge problem. It's why we need women's groups specifically for the purpose of fighting for our sex based rights, cos where we are now is also a result of the fact that women's organisations have largely utterly failed us in relation to all of this....

Social media is like Second Life, someone trying to seem like what they are not can cosplay 100% of the time, and even sockpuppet different characters to give themselves fake friends and even fake enemies.

I think many of these people aren't fully "out" in RL.

Miranda Yardley has the courage and integrity to interrogate themselves, something remarkably lacking in any transactivist I have come across. I have huge respect for Miranda and think the ban is draconian and chilling.

YY my position exactly.

Good post, Joan. I've found that mixed sex overnight accommodation on Guide trips (with the risk of teen pregnancy) is the example that most people get immediately and are sufficiently horrified by to want to find out more. They might agree that the idea of rapists in women's prisons is outrageous but, since it's unlikely to affect them, quickly move on. But a lot of people have daughters and nieces and and and.

If you report a TRA, all you get is Twitter saying that they breached the terms, their account stays.

When Owen Jones was so quick to spread the hate against women who were reporting an account for hating on Mumsnet users, he didn't bother to check the background, so much for being a journalist. Twitter did find that their tweets breached their terms, they just didn't shut them down!

Trans identified males are very overrepresented in IT.

Social media is like Second Life, someone trying to seem like what they are not can cosplay 100% of the time, and even sockpuppet different characters to give themselves fake friends and even fake enemies. For men looking for women or children to groom and/or abuse, SM has given them access to victimise like never before, and the ability to cultivate a community of abusers to help them and manipulate the situation. And social media is a manipulators dream - tone policing and false 'facts' and claims of being denied existence etc are much harder to convInce people with in real life face to face communication.

The thing is the trans activists might know how to manipulate people and a story online but most people don't live online. Even among those who use social media a lot, most are still aware that there is a difference between what we say and how we present ourselves on social media, and the actual reality.

Trans activists are taking advantage of politicians and companies naivety of how this all works to manipulate the situation, make themselves look like victims, make their victims look like oppressors, make themselves and their support look bigger and more important than they really are, present fiction as fact etc. This could never have happened if social media wasn't being lauded as the voice of the people and more important than investigative journalism, quality research by qualified people, and real life facts.

But the TAs can't actually control real life, so I think one of the most useful things we can all so is talk about this all offline, face to face, make as many people aware as possible. Most people do not know this is happening and a single element of trans ideology and practice is often enough to horrify them - whether that is sterilising kids, pretending that a woman is anyone who says they are a woman, putting men who have committed sex offences in women's prisons, banning people (usually women) from speaking if they don't agree that males can be female, the issue of fetishes like sissification and autogynephilia, etc. In my experience most people out in offline space peak trans quickly over any single one of these.

I am sorry to hear the news. @MirandaYardley, if you are reading this you have my support and my sympathy.

I respect the work Miranda has done, but setting up on Gab seems a questionable move.

The thing is, Gab (and Mewe) won't be majority right wing any more if all the left libertarians leave Twitter and Facebook, will they?

Miranda Yardley has the courage and integrity to interrogate themselves, something remarkably lacking in any transactivist I have come across. I have huge respect for Miranda and think the ban is draconian and chilling.

As are the bans of other women, due to targeted manipulation of Twitter's reporting algorithms openly discussed by transactivists on the platform. Twitter is perfectly well aware of what is happening and is now an open supporter of violent misogyny, insofar as I can see.

I respect the work Miranda has done, but setting up on Gab seems a questionable move.

FFS. Thing is, Twitter isn’t a democracy is it. They don’t actually have a duty to uphold free speech. Do they?

Venice Allen and Mayday4Women are also missing at the moment.

I have a lot of respect for Miranda.