Guess how I got suspended from the Labour Party?

From the same issue of the Eye...

Yes that quote is from the TV review column. I have the issue here.

Private eye is a fantastic publication - they seem to have a decent grasp on reality. Real reality, that is. They take no prisoners on anything - if it’s ridiculous, anti democratic, corrupt, dodgy or precious it gets shredded.

I also suspect they side more with the gender critical ....

RealityHasALiberalBias thank you.

The Private Eye comment comes from their TV review column. It was about Genderquake and Peter Kay’s Car Share and the controversy the TRAs whipped up about it.

Apparently the BBC took out a scene which had an allegedly transphobic joke after the complaints from the TRA lobby, and that sentence was PE’s conclusion on the matter.

Re Private Eye, I understand that they printed the following comment:

."but the big question - of whether one community should be permitted a veto on media coverage of itself - remains stubbornly unresolved"

p 14, Eye no 1470.

(I haven't seen it though and so can't comment on context)

Yes PE did print the petition.

I hope certain people step on a logos.

Or legos, even!

Yes that was what I was implying

My students union said I wasn't welcome at a women in leadership event which in the blurb said was for self identifying women and trans women. I said I didn't self identify as a woman but was a woman and could I come and was basically told to go away

Bizarro world.

I hope certain people step on a logos.

Or legos, even!

Well yes, clearly a pr stunt. Again, not actually depriving a woman of anything

As @Itsallgoingtobefine pointed out, eligible women weren't deprived of anything except an award. No big deal. After all, a part-time mayun got it, so it's all good.

R0wantrees

It's just off the bottom of your photo, but is that the petition printed in Private Eye?

If so, that's brilliant.

somewhere on my shelves I have that novel about being on trial in the Soviet Union.

Dammit, what's it called.

Darkness at Noon. That's the one.

It ends with them explaining that the best thing to do is to make a false confession.

My students union said I wasn't welcome at a women in leadership event which in the blurb said was for self identifying women and trans women. I said I didn't self identify as a woman but was a woman and could I come and was basically told to go away.

Lol. Except not lol.

Fermats: "Money is a social construct. But we don't allow individuals to write "I promise to pay the bearer on demand of the sum of £10" in biro on a blank piece of paper and take it into a shop. We have agreed legal rules about what counts as money and what doesn't. Nationality is a social construct - but you're not going to get far applying for a passport with a hand-written note saying 'I identify as British' rather than your actual birth certificate."

This is an incredibly important point. The nationality analogy had occurred to me before. You can't, in a well-ordered society, simply allow people to go around saying, "I identify as XYZ" and take their word for it. I identify as dyslexic, so you must allow me extra time in exams? I identify as disabled, so I'm entitled to park in the disabled parking space? I identify as Irish, so you must give me an Irish passport? All these things have rules attached to them that we have agreed on as a society.

@IAmDavidLewis - you're a (s)hero.

I am begging you to take this further and appeal. Please don't stop now.

And anyone else - if you have friends who care enough to do the same as David, please get them to do this too!

There appears to be a sincerity test now, maybe they will have committees, lie detectors, interrogation. Who knows.

Maybe sandydrawsbadly could sketch up some ideas

Is there a secret extra or new clause in ‘self ID’ that DL somehow violated that we don’t know about? That has never been applied to other candidates before now? What would that be? Why can’t they tell us?

Exactly. Who gets to decide who is a real trans person/woman if there are no objective criteria?

To quote a labour icon:

“What power have you got? Where did you get it from? In whose interests do you exercise it? To whom are you accountable? And how can we get rid of you?“

I agree with what everybody has said about the utter shower that is self ID. It’s such a fucking disengenuous pat on the head, even for those it IS supposed to benefit.

Self ID comes from a place of smugly powerful people going along humouring what they see as ‘other’ people, patting them on the head and pretending to agree with them. ‘Of course you are if you say you are!’ (Except... ‘I retain my right to sex-based dating and wouldn’t touch you with his’ - so there is no genuine acceptance.)

That patronising type of virtue signalling is now uncritically being proposed as law as part of a fucked up unthinking competition to be the most inclusive as if that is in itself a virtue or and end goal.. without any thought of what actually being inclusive would look like. Egged on by a subset of people who seem to have pretty dark motivations in mind if you are a woman, child or trans person.

womanformallyknownaswoman

from Private Eye

Penguin

There’s no way to argue out of this one - David has shown the absurdity of the situation beautifully.

Yep.

To me it's like club membership - women are an exisiting club who membership is biologically based. If someone wants to apply to become a member of that club who isn't biologically a woman, they need to apply for membership. Then the existing members can consider whether it is appropriate to accept new categories of membership. The existing members can take as long as they want to consider the complex questions and are under no obligation to widen the exisiting category of membership. Until that point, any prospective members have to wait and also must be prepared for a "No".

However what's happened is that many men have come along and burgled the club, grabbed membership certificates and are acting like they have been accepted already.

tl;dr No one asked the existing women club membership what they thought about new categories of membership. Due process has not been observed in any way. Policy has been changed without consultation that adversely affects half of the population, namely women. Many men are acting like women don't exist and /or that they can decide on their behalf - they can't - they are not women.

Why can't women get to decide what's right for them?

penguin, I think that, for me, it's well worth developing scripts of things you can say that won't backfire, clearly are not nasty, etc,etc. I expect you've done the same.

good luck with it.

Chatty your long post has just given me a lightbulb moment. Even if you think "woman" is a socially constructed category rather than a biological one, you should still not be in favour of self ID. Because there are no other meaningful socially-constructed categories with legal and real-world consequences which rely entirely on an individual's say-so; all of them are underpinned by a social consensus - which is why they're social constructs, not individual or identarian constructs.

Money is a social construct. But we don't allow individuals to write "I promise to pay the bearer on demand of the sum of £10" in biro on a blank piece of paper and take it into a shop. We have agreed legal rules about what counts as money and what doesn't. Nationality is a social construct - but you're not going to get far applying for a passport with a hand-written note saying "I identify as British" rather than your actual birth certificate.

There has to be gate-keeping for social constructs - there has to be some socially agreed way of telling the genuine claims from the piss-taking ones - otherwise social constructs do not work.

Labour have shot themselves in the foot here. The whole point is they don't distinguish between the intentions or longevity of anyone id ing as a woman.

Hopefully this will peak some more people. Depressingly the fact man is doing it will get more publicity thsn a woman making a point but not to take away from his point or actions.

but I just feel i’ve wandered into some weird dystopia and just can’t fathom it..

Yes it’s quite the rabbit hole isn’t it? Which is why it’s trying to sneak in under the radar and why we all need to sit down and have a good public discussion on it.

And why some groups get so very angry with MN when we do discuss it.

YY to point about under 18s - thatvreallybis vital.