Guess how I got suspended from the Labour Party?

The Labour Party are just such great entertainment this year.

They are. That said, even if I wasn't particularly exercised by the self-ID issue, as a rational voter I would look at them and think JFC, if they can't even manage this, how are they going to run the whole fucking country? I wouldn't vote for this level of rank incompetence under any circumstances.

Voters are laughing at them. This is not good.

Can someone link to this thread on the GN thread?

Absinthe, could you link to the thread? I never go on Gransnet.

Sarah gives away the game that Sarah expects all these males and many more to immediately apply to become legally female. Despite all assurances that it only affects a small number of people.

Thanks David. But forgive me for feeling a tiny bit depressed that it's taken a male voice to really force this issue into the wide world.

My money is on prison time, especially if you have previous.

Am I allowed to mention Ian Huntley here?

I am wondering, if legal self-id comes in, would you be willing to make a false statutory declaration and become legally female. My fellow MNers including at least one self-identified lawyer think nothing would happen to you. My money is on prison time, especially if you have previous.

But there are plenty of prominent transwomen without GRCs at the moment, SarahAR. They're not legally female but still expect to be recognised as such. Are you saying that after legal self-ID comes in, any prominent transwomen who don't make this statutory declaration must be recognised as men? And if a biological male walks into a women's changing room, how are the women in there meant to know whether they've made the statutory declaration or not?

Thanks for that David. Makes me absurdly happy when I get proof that NAMALT.
I don't know if David wants to take it further, but I think it's now up to us to push this forward. Labour have acted so quickly because they want it hushed up.
Any remaining Labour members out there who can make sure that this is discussed?

A bio woman who does not identify as a woman would not be allowed to take a woman's officer place in the LP
I would be exempt because I do not identify as a woman

I have a young family member who is on the Labour Exec and also had no idea - I've sent him this link

They will just need to show that you were not sincere in your claim to have a female gender identity. Given the Spectator article and this thread, that won't be hard.

What is a female gender identity? I know I am physically female - I’m pregnant which is rather a giveaway. But since gender and sex are now disconnected how can anyone tell me what my gender identity IS?

It depends solely on feelings, according to the stonewall definition. If David feels he is a female gender identity then he has a female gender identity according to that definition.

If we are going to try to ascribe motive to that gender identity then things become particularly fun and I really hope this will be explored as an issue. Because I could accuse an individual of having a sexual motive, a nefarious motive, a frivolous motive or any motive at all that I choose - and how can anyone objectively defend that? I could say ‘you are just identifying as a woman to get housed in female prison estate’ and how could I be proven wrong?

I do hope David gets his (or her on wednesdays) day in court on this one. And makes them explain WHY they think his intent was trivial.

Let’s shine a light on all this and get people to talk about it.

There's currently a thread on Gransnet about this and it's astonishing how many people still don't have the faintest idea what's going on (and think David is posing a threat to women.)

Just goes to show how important it is that the media cover this issue. THANK YOU David, for helping that to happen.

@kyanite

but there are plenty of non gender conforming people like David eg Pips Buncewho identify as both men and women on different days and seem to be perfectly accepted for doing so. Would he/she not be allowed to join the LB or run for office? Surely that's transphobic:

www.fnlondon.com/articles/mistranslated-i-split-my-time-as-pippa-and-philip-20171002

The Labour Party are just such great entertainment this year.

They really are.

It would need to be a full time and permanent transition, looking at the legislation.

Do you mean Labour policies or UK legislation? Labour policies don't seem to follow legislation.

I am wondering, if legal self-id comes in, would you be willing to make a false statutory declaration and become legally female. My fellow MNers including at least one self-identified lawyer think nothing would happen to you. My money is on prison time, especially if you have previous.

i am wondering what you possibly feel you have to add to a feminist board, given your support of this I'll thought out misogynistic policy and zeal for punishing dissenters. I have a good idea.

If David hadn't announced himself, no one would be any the wiser and he would probably be Basingstoke CLP Women's Officer tonight. People see that. They're not stupid. James and David have merely highlighted how jawdroppingly stupid self ID is in all its forms. But yes he has made a sacrifice and many women appreciate it. I look forward to hearing about his suspension interview when he hopefully can make them look even more sinister and stupid.

MW is gender critical - I bet that's why the show did it. Remember when he refused to apologise.

Well done, David.

Labour have very clearly done a complete reverse ferret on this already. But they probably don't actually realise it yet.

They've gone from "where you have self-identified as a woman, then you are treated as a woman" to immediate suspension of a self-identified woman and "established safeguards, selection procedures and disciplinary measures" in just a couple of hours.

The Labour Party are just such great entertainment this year.

Thank you David.

So many pp totally missing the point about this!

twitter.com/5wrightstuff/status/999182677721960448?s=21

It would need to be a full time and permanent transition, looking at the legislation.

Maybe not making any outward changes but claiming to be full time trans would have fitted their requirements.

Why would be it be less valid to self identify as a gender critical woman?

Whilst I congratulate your efforts David a sincere thank you does nobody else find it sad that it has taken a man to highlight this in mainstream media. 300 women leave the Labour Party who cares ...man gets suspended it's all over the tv!

Thank you David.
Enjoy your womaning today