Guess how I got suspended from the Labour Party?

I can't listen to JV show at the mo, will later on catch up, but can anyone take notes and post here as it goes on?

I read 'Transgender Politicians and Intolerance'................but, on listening, it is 'Transgender Politicians' and 'Food Intolerance'

David I want to add my voice to the many saying "thank you" btw

*Officer. Bloody autocorrect!

Have you all seen the piece in the Guardian about it?

The Labour party has rightly suspended an anti-trans campaigner over a puerile, transphobic stunt
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/23/woman-wednesdays-transphobic-labour-trans

I'm just reading it now...

Just adding my voice to the thank yous, David. You would have made a wonderful women’s office

It will be the next subject discussed on Jeremy Vine Radio 2.

Should legal self-id come in, then I was wondering if the OP would also like to change his legal gender to female as an act of protest. According to MNers nothing would happen except presumable more publicity. I think otherwise.

Terribly precious Sarah. Terribly. The "owwww, bad things would happen". They won't, they don't. Man Friday has already changed driver's licence, I think she would have reported the swat team bashing down the door for the 'crime' of 'insincere gender identity'.

Self-ID is a free-for-all. Clearly your laydee brain can't quite get a grip on that. (I have no laydee brain, I am a mere woman)

David - thanks for doing what you did and also for not dominating or mansplaining on this thread. It's the latter that's won me round.

Sadly you can't put him in prison Sarah, much as you'd no doubt like to.

Labour Party: "Finally after months of deliberation, our policy is that any man who self-identifies as a woman may take up the roles reserved for women in the party".

2 hours later:

Labour Party: "No, not you David. You are suspended for following our policy".

Omnishambles, is that the word?

And the great thing is that this is just the start. There is so much comedy to look forward to in the future with Labour as they try to wrestle the self-ID #nodebate beast without reference to material reality.

But he also has to face the consequences

What consequences? I'm sure it is their loss, rather than the reverse.

As I said previously, a robust policy around those who abuse self-id benefits everyone.

How do you define abuse and who decides? Many feel Madigan and Peto have abused it, others disagree. If you have criteria they need to be clear, communicated and objective enough to be applied in all cases. If you have criteria that is no longer self-id though.

But Sarah - how would this 'robust policy' be policed? By its very nature, surely it can't be? If David Lewis hadn't made his point publicly, he could have gone on to be selected as a women's officer. As, presumably, any woman-hating Momentum misogynist could in the future?

As I said previously, a robust policy around those who abuse self-id benefits everyone

Such as the current system for issuing a GRC?

Well done David. You put your arse on the line to stand up for women and for that I think you'd make a great women's officer. Unfortunately, Labour don't want to admit they've made a big mistake by implementing a policy which is supposed to ensure representation for women, but which doesn't. They could change the policy and add another one to ensure representation for trans people, but even though that would be fair and would improve things, they won't because it's more important for them to appear not to have made a mistake, even at the cost of your membership.
It's their cock up, your arse.

Ooohhhh James O’B read out my tweet

Sarah gives away the game that Sarah expects all these males and many more to immediately apply to become legally female. Despite all assurances that it only affects a small number of people

Not at all. I think only a few people would take advantage of legal self id.

As an act of protest, the OP chose to abuse the Labour Party's policy around self-id. He chose to do this and is getting lots of publicity. But he also has to face the consequences. As I said previously, a robust policy around those who abuse self-id benefits everyone.

Should legal self-id come in, then I was wondering if the OP would also like to change his legal gender to female as an act of protest. According to MNers nothing would happen except presumable more publicity. I think otherwise.

It would be good to have some parameters in writing from them, if self-ID is a national policy then we need to be able to make sure that it is applied equally to all.

It would also be helpful to know who was involved in drawing up any parameters if these are made available.

Hi IAmDavidLewis

Thank you!

Please could you keep requesting the Labour Party clarify why they don't believe your identity, why it was cause for suspension. It would be good to have some parameters in writing from them, if self-ID is a national policy then we need to be able to make sure that it is applied equally to all.

I personally feel that you may have been discriminated against on the grounds of your gender identity and that this needs to be taken up.

Thank you again David. You have approached this in a reasoned and thoughtful but media-friendly way. Lots in this debate needs challenged so proper discussion can be had and all voices can be heard, thanks for being brace enough to do this.

Yes, it does seem as if they believe that my belief in my identity is unbelievable, but if I’d believed that they’d believe that, then I believe I would have asserted my identity belief in a way that would allow them to believe it.

“i” before “e”, “i” before “e”...

Irrational fears? We have the stats, we have the evidence, we're told we're wrong. Fucks sake.

oh wow
so does James now see why I might not want to change in a curtained cubicle next door to Travis?

Oh god here come the brocialists - comparing us to xenophobes and bigots. Both men, ofc.