Guess how I got suspended from the Labour Party?

1). Some pretty nasty people have stood for official positions in the Labour Party
2). Nobody has been that bothered about vetting them.

This - with giant flashing lights and frantically waving red flags.

He could have done exactly the same thing except for speaking to James Kirkup and, if elected, Labour activists would have called everyone on FWR transphobic bigots for saying it was ridiculous.

SMG can go around in circles as much as they like. It won't change the truth of it. The Labour Party has now declared itself gatekeeper of whose gender identity is genuine and whose isn't.

It's just absolutely perfect. Neither Monty Python nor Brass Eye could have done it better.

Two things seem to be clear about the Labour Party.

1). Some pretty nasty people have stood for official positions in the Labour Party
2). Nobody has been that bothered about vetting them.

For fairness, the Conservatives will put up with a lot of racism if it means holding onto a seat and the Lib Dems have had some awful MPs. Politicians can be a pretty unscrupulous lot.

Supermatch,

Thanks for sticking around. It can’t be easy being in a minority.

“a trans woman isn't a man. But a man pretending to be a trans woman for a stunt is a man.”

If self identification is all it takes then “pretending” has been abolished.

Apart from the award...

Oh god. I am seriously dying of laughter.

Best. Thread. Ever.

I don't actually know what you mean by that ItsAll. I think the point is that a trans woman isn't a man. But a man pretending to be a trans woman for a stunt is a man.

An adult human with a penis is a man
An adult human with a vagina is a woman

No amount of pieces of paper and wishes will change this.

HTH

Clear as mud. A transwoman isn’t a man unless they have a dodgy intent? So now it’s not just gender feelings but moral worth too?

How exactly do we tell the difference? Objectively?

And how might one tell the difference if such a person entered the ladies loos? Is there a questionnaire that could be administered?

Not as far as I know, but it isn't clear that he wouldn't be eligible, and it's not clear that David's application would have been questioned if he hadn't talked about his application in the Spectator.

He was set to be in the election according to the article. And would quite possibly be Basingstoke Women's Officer by now.

I think the point is that a trans woman isn't a man

Wrong. Only trans identified males with GRC are considered legally women. But let's go round again, do!

That's the point, you don't need to define it because he didn't get onto an AWS, and never would.

He wasn't applying for an AWS, he was applying for the post of woman's officer. He has been suspended pending an investigation. A decision has not yet been made.

But is Bunce actually trying to access women only shortlists?

Not as far as I know, but it isn't clear that he wouldn't be eligible, and it's not clear that David's application would have been questioned if he hadn't talked about his application in the Spectator.

The Labour Party has allowed some pretty dodgy people to be selected recently. They seem to be relying on the press to vet their applicants. However, I don't think relying on the Spectator is good long term policy for the Labour Party.

It's also not clear that David's application should be rejected. His identity certainly seems to be similar to that of many women - men too, but definitely some women.

I don't actually know what you mean by that ItsAll. I think the point is that a trans woman isn't a man. But a man pretending to be a trans woman for a stunt is a man

Man = adult human male

Transwoman = a man who "identifies" as a woman

Man pretending to be a transwoman = man pretending to be a transwoman

How do you infallibly tell the difference between these men in all circumstances?

Transwomen are men.

I don't actually know what you mean by that ItsAll. I think the point is that a trans woman isn't a man. But a man pretending to be a trans woman for a stunt is a man.

I think that's pretty clear.

Well yes, clearly a pr stunt. Again, not actually depriving a woman of anything

Apart from the award...

www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/male-liberal-staffer-pretended-to-be-a-woman-to-win-student-executive-position-20161020-gs6reg.html

What about this one?

Well yes, clearly a pr stunt. Again, not actually depriving a woman of anything.

Apart from a woman who might have won that award. But who cares eh? It's just a random woman.

So it's not fake news then. It did happen. And in this case it was rumbled.

But it does show pretty clearly men are prepared to be trans if it would be to their benefit.

Mip yes it happened but the point is they were rumbled, kicked off and punished pretty quick. Because they weren't actually transgender, just pretending to be.

They appear to have been 'rumbled' because of complaints, not because of any safeguarding of the process. No complaints and they wouldn't have been investigated at all.

Bunce won a women in business award.

Well yes, clearly a pr stunt. Again, not actually depriving a woman of anything.

No I'm saying that in the real world there isn't a man actually standing or attempting to stand on an AWS

Transwomen are men. So it's kind of important to be able to distinguish between the transwomen type of men, and the taking the piss sort of men no?

where did you find out that the Mexico candidates claiming to be trans but aren't is fake news? Genuinely interested as every report I've seen (and there have been several) have said it was real.

Mip yes it happened but the point is they were rumbled, kicked off and punished pretty quick. Because they weren't actually transgender, just pretending to be.

Which has only illustrated how unlikely it is to actually happen.

But it did happen.

No I'm saying that in the real world there isn't a man actually standing or attempting to stand on an AWS. It has only happened due to someone pretending, to make a point.

Which has only illustrated how unlikely it is to actually happen.

Define 'genuine trans woman'?

Don't need to. David Lewis wasn't one. That's the point, you don't need to define it because he didn't get onto an AWS, and never would.

Lol...You need a definition first before you can say something is or isn't something. You only know about this because of a story. Because he DID get on the list - that is the fucking point!

David was on the AWS. He was suspended after being approved to go on it. And had he not done an interview he would still have been in a position to be elected.

Bunce won a women in business award.