Labour clarifies trans women and AWS

I have been assured by both verbally by Sophie Walker in a members discussion webinar (and some posts of hers on Twitter indicate similar) and personal emails from HQ that a working party on the issue will be formed. No timescale as yet.

Wow, nothing says strong, decisive political action like the intention of forming a working party at some indefinite point in the future.

and trans support is now in the majority of people

How do you know this ?

nauticant

Perfectly put 😢

The Labour Party is now run by the genuinely thick

Sadly seems to be the case imo.

They've abandoned any sense of logic and intellectual rigor, which after all can be hard work, and have gone instead for moral superiority. Who gives a fuck whether what you say makes sense so long as you can look down on your opponents as morally inferior with back slaps all round. This to be is the point at which I broke with the Left and went my own way.

The Labour Party is now run by the genuinely thick.

Sadly, that's my impression too. Not that they recognise themselves as thick. Dunning Kruger effect.

Why is the WEP wasting time on the Lewisham East by-election? The Labour candidate is a local black woman who isn't sponsored by Momentum, a fact that seems to have pissed a lot of Momentum members off . The best of luck to her.

Hopefully other parties will also swing this way.

I hope this happens sooner rather than later.

There are massive overlaps with free speech, press freedom and parliamentary process as James Kirkup identified in his Spectator article:
blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/why-are-some-mps-trying-to-shut-down-the-transgender-debate/

Conservatives view is now much more open to listening to different viewpoints in discussions and on keeping sex exemptions in the EA.

(Although Maria Miller still denying reality and women's perspectives.)

Hopefully other parties will also swing this way.

As per usual, Pink News has disabled comments on any article that touches on trans issues. That's because they know huge numbers of LGB people (especially the L) disagree with their stance on Trans issues.

If all potential abusers of the new self ID law when it passes could kindly be featured in a Spectator article so we know who they are and can deal with them, that would be very helpful.
Oh wait, I forgot, people who want to abuse women rarely ever admit to it. That screening methods fucked then, we’ll have to think of another one. Oh, wait, we don’t have one. Oh well David is a woman then.
There’s a reason why one could disappear up one’s own arse trying to figure out this logic…

Back to the topic of the thread though

That means an AWS can be open to women + tw with a GRC (who are legally female). Self-ID's tw do not share the protected characteristic of sex with women, they remain legally male.

Labour are reinterpreting 'sex' to mean 'self-ID'd gender identity' and if they get away with it here, in this specific and unambiguous exception, then every other instance of the word 'sex' in the EA can be interpreted the same way.

Given this - who arbitrates interpretation of the EA? Is there a way to directly challenge this or would it take a specific case challenge? Agree we need Jennifer James to reappear now with the crowd fund that was raised to challenge exactly this with her legal team on what the next step is.

Sorry for appalling syntax there, bad brain day!

boatyardblues as an active WEP member and gender critical feminist I can say it is a topic of ongoing discussion. I have been assured by both verbally by Sophie Walker in a members discussion webinar (and some posts of hers on Twitter indicate similar) and personal emails from HQ that a working party on the issue will be formed. No timescale as yet. Right now everyone is hard at work on the Lewisham East by-election campaign though, I won’t be addressing it further until after June 14th. We have conference in September so at the moment it’s a hopeful ‘watch this space’.

Labour, LibDem, women's Equality, Greens and Plaid Cymru have all made it clear transwomen rights come before women's rights

Conservatives have also endorsed these policies:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2993425-Maria-Miller-interviewed-by-Janice-Turner-full-text

Has there been any movement on WEP policy on what makes a woman? It’s just tjat with every other party centring self-ID and UKIP beyond the pale, we actually need a party that will consider women as well as TW so we have someone to vote for.

Labour, LibDem, women's Equality, Greens and Plaid Cymru have all made it clear transwomen rights come before women's rights. They honestly don't need to make it any clearer.

Why any woman would vote for any of these parties once they realise this is beyond me 🙄

Yes all the other issues matter too but if we want to ever have a voice on woman's issues we have to not let them pretend a transwoman can say it better than a woman can. 😡

We need to stop voting for parties that are actively working to erase our rights

No one is surprised.

The Labour Party is now run by the genuinely thick. It is powered by t-shirt slogan, Che tat, needy brocialists.

Labour was always underpinned by a ‘working man’ approach. This just happens to be the worst version of that.

“In adopting this approach, the Labour Party has verified that it is acting consistently with both the letter and spirit of the relevant legislation, the Equality Act 2010.”

This is false. What they are doing is not legal. Here is the EA exception that makes AWS legal. The relevant wording is:

6)Selection arrangements do not include short-listing only such persons as have a particular protected characteristic.

I.e. it's not legal to have a shortlist made up of people who share a single protected characteristic ...

(7)But subsection (6) does not apply to the protected characteristic of sex;

Unless the protected characteristic is sex.

That means an AWS can be open to women + tw with a GRC (who are legally female). Self-ID's tw do not share the protected characteristic of sex with women, they remain legally male.

Labour are reinterpreting 'sex' to mean 'self-ID'd gender identity' and if they get away with it here, in this specific and unambiguous exception, then every other instance of the word 'sex' in the EA can be interpreted the same way.

Sex as a protected characteristic will no longer have any meaning. We will no longer have any sex based rights.

So funny that this coincided with them then doing a complete u turn and suspending the lovely David Lewis. Labour are making themselves look ridiculous and unelectable over all sorts of things ATM this being one of them.

I wonder what @jenniferjames will now do with the money fundraiser to challenge this.

It states: “We recognise that there is a diversity of views on what can be a complex and emotive issue for many members, but discussions within the Labour Party should never take the form of abuse or intimidation of anyone.

Except actual women. They apparently don't count!
I suggest they rename the AWS to the ATWS. There, fixed it for them.

Closure of the Labour Party seems to be what they're shooting for. Well, I wouldn't be sorry the way they're going of late, start again with the sensible ones.

‘Closure’
Bahaha Hahahaha.
Total own goal labour. Perhaps some rethinking about exactly what their policy is, would be lovely.

Not till 6.50am

Seems very reasonable.

Interesting. I presumed they were going to ignore the whole debate and simply get rid of AWS...

Either way, this is a sin for the tories. Nobody else.