Class analysis...

I do think it's worth pointing out that some "privilege" is worth more than other "privilege

As I said, nuance

So a white homeless man is privileged compared to a black homeless man.

I do think it's worth pointing out that some "privilege" is worth more than other "privilege". So here, for example, by the time you are rough sleeping, it's neither here nor there if the Bullingdon boy shouts the N word or the P word while he's burning a tenner in front of you.

Another example: someone like Chiwetel Ejiofor (Dulwich Prep, Dulwich College, LAMDA) is more privileged than the vast majority of men in the UK. But, being black, he might have a slight disadvantage against Benedict Cumberwhatsit and Tom Hiddlewhatsit.

Same goes for someone like Shon Faye, whose current feminine presentation is far outweighed by the mountain of privilege enjoyed by dint of being born male and white, and getting an elite private school to Oxbridge education.

it's really mild compared to some of the ad hominems I receive, the pile ons and the constant questioning of my sex

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Class analysis..... Why do people find it so difficult

Possibly because it can lead to statements like

So a white homeless man is privileged compared to a black homeless man

Class analysis is really useful but nuance is needed.

"Lol... yeah.... ‘white privilege’ does not mean ‘every single white person is privileged’...

"So a white homeless man is privileged compared to a black homeless man."

Bit of a disconnect here.

Also re ‘poor’ and ‘white’ you are aware that those are two different classes

Yes but as I said pages ago, surely people can and do belong to more than one class.

" So a white homeless man is privileged compared to a black homeless man."

Oh dear :(

What a joke of a post

Lol... yeah.... ‘white privilege’ does not mean ‘every single white person is privileged

Well read the bbc link fms posted. This is what happens when nuance is not applied.

If you think that you don’t understand what class analysis IS; about the dynamics of power, NOT about people

I haven’t talked about individuals just working class white people. They have very little power. I’m just arguing for more nuance in class analysis - If I’m not understanding class analysis please explain where I’m going wrong.

Also re ‘poor’ and ‘white’ you are aware that those are two different classes?

Lol... yeah.... ‘white privilege’ does not mean ‘every single white person is privileged’...

If you think that you don’t understand what class analysis IS; about the dynamics of power, NOT about people.

Great link fms I come from one of those deprived North west towns. It’s mostly white but has some the worst outcomes in the country.

• poor educational outcomes
• early mortality
• high levels of substance abuse
• high teenage pregnancy

White privilege definitely exists (I benefit from it). But the people in my home town really can’t be described as privileged.

I think that’s my issue with class analysis when you are looking at a huge % of the population. Of course class analysis needs to happen but a little more nuance is needed sometimes.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-44196645

"White privilege"

I am sorry I haven't rtft but I am a big fan of class analysis.

IMO people get hung up on the idea of 'privilege' eg- "I don't have white privilege, my parents were poor and the Pakistani kid from the cornershop is at Cambridge" and I think it is more persuasive to look at it the other way around - eg - 'white' people 'as a class' do not face the barriers of racism that are experience by 'black' people as a class, ie - it is a privilege to not have additional barriers.

But privilege is blind, no one realises they have it unless they really stop to think about the negative things they have the privilege of not experiencing (ie a vanishingly small percentage of the populace).

On page 8 we see that the thread has been taken over by those who neither know nor care what class analysis is.
So it's not as much a matter of can't but won't because individuals would much prefer the post modern approach of playing oppression olympics, the game of logical fallacy, anecdotes, and whataboutism

Well said - a great topic has been relentlessly trolled and undermined with whataboutmenz - yes men are the problem - male violence - that some want to obfuscate by undermining the definition of women and destroying them and their spaces is testament to the importance of the subject. Men are subjected to violence as well but that's not what this thread is about - go start another one

Well done OP for a great topic -it's so on the money that others are waging war against it - must mean you're onto something!

Are you suggesting that instead of doing a class analysis we ought to be doing a cultural analysis?
If so, you could certainly start a thread on that subject.

Well why not?

It’s information which helps inform intervention- such as looking at the dynamics of gang culture.

You use an evidence base to address violence through intervention programmes from parenting, schools to intervention when people are in hospital. This happens already in scotland.

You need to understand - if a boy sees dad taking a knife with him on a night out what does that say to the boy about being a man in this world? And how does that affect our community?

If men are the main perpetrators of violence surely it makes sense to analyse it and to plan interventions?

Well if you want to reduce male violence then surely you need to understand more about it?