Is this really a feminist board?

I get the point. My first question was about women in STEM, a feminist topic very close to my heart as an IT worker and very male dominated from my interest as a kid all the way to now. More and more it seems that transgender issues is the most pressing feminist concern. I see strong feelings on here about it but not elsewhere, yet. Until recently my understanding was of people 'in the wrong body' who get as close to that body as possible and get on with life.

In answer to the OP, this board appears to be transitioning as a result of data breaches and MRA brigading from the Feminism boards to the He-Man Woman Haters Club.

Duluth wheel behaviour does not a woman make.

At this point I think the options are...

A. This person has no self-awareness and doesn't realize that multiple comments in a row that form a wall of barely coherent rage come across as an attempt at bullying people (let's be honest, female people) into submission.

B. This person is very well aware of how they're coming across and increasingly confused and frustrated that it isn't producing the intended results.

thebewilderness Quite frankly, people can think what they like. I say what I think, I've had my arse handed to me but my views are my own and I stand by them.

Call yourself whatever you like.
Don't be surprised when people think that you mean what you say and not what you mean to say.

Duluth wheel behaviour does not a woman make. Jus' sayin'.

thebewilderness The way I see it is, the TRA wanted a slur for us so came up with TERF. For a while it worked. For me, and I stress, and have said before this is only how I see it, by saying 'fine I'm a TIM exclusionary radical feminist, so a TERF by their definition, I have reclaimed the slur. I appreciate others see it differently and I don't have any issue with how anyone defines themselves. I could be a PERF, a penis exclusionary radical feminist, but that hasn't been used against us - yet.

spontaneousgiventime
So that would be TIMERF then, not TERF?
That is why women immediately declared themselves to be MERFs,
Male Exclusionary Radical Feminists.
Having to argue with males that Feminism is for women only is just one symptom of how effective the backlash has been at undermining women's right to define their boundaries.

Thanks Bowl and apologies if my post looked as if it was singling you out.

thebewilderness I don't exclude TIF's, they are women. The term TERF was meant as a slur, yes, but as I do want to exclude TIM's and am a radical feminist I don't care if they call me it.

@Damn - I wasn't talking to you. BigBadDaddy said we were ignorant - I asked him what he thought we were ignorant of. No proper reply as yet.

Nothing to stop you weighing in and saying what you think everyone ought to know, of course.

But anything that anyone says on MN is received critically. People don't hold back from disagreeing with you just because it might hurt your feelings.

Aboit

Fucks sake!!!!!

Oooh maybe its gone then lass

My point was going to be that as stated on the thread people's opinions on the use of the word varied so it wasnt fair to pick up on bowl saying it as she may be someone who bandies it aboit with gay abandon

But you didnt mean that so my point is literally pointless

Rufustheyawningreindeer

I can't find the hysteria thread- I thought it had gone or I've hidden it by accident. My post wasn't intended specifically for Bowl (sorry Bowl) but generally.

Damn - what you have just typed out, or c&p'd describes exactly as I stated in my post: mixed sex accommodation - an option to be moved on request means mixed sex by default - with transgender girls (male bodied) sharing with girls. Parents will not be informed - to protect the privacy of the transgender girls.

So "hysterical" is ok to use for trans women?

It’s accurate to use for anyone who manipulates the threat of suicide to close down any discussion they don’t like or control others, be that an abusive man, the poster on AIBU’s mil or anyone else. It’s cowardly, unpleasant and deeply manipulative.

This is identity politics writ large. My victimhood outweighs everyone else and I must be validated at all times or else.

Oh my actual god look at my spelling

A certian poster that i cant be arsed to name is trotting round redefining everyone

lass

I cant see that bowl was on the hysteria thread

When did she say the word shouldnt be used?

Rufustheyawningreindeer Exactly. We are all able to define ourselves as we see fit. No-one should do it for us. I won't be defined as cis for example.

spontaneous

You can admit to what you like

I dont have to admit to something im not...even if certain posters would rather just make up a whole load of bollocks

Ah ah... come now. Threats of suicide are a means of control. Do as I want, validate me or I’ll kill myself. Hysterical, abusive, cowardly. The stats on trans suicide have been debunked.

So "hysterical" is ok to use for trans women?

If you honestly believe that what you say is right, then I would have thought you would be proud to be recognised for your belief. So why aren't you?

And stop making shit up

Its getting boring