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Chestfeeding group at work

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Sengah · 20/05/2018 14:26

I've just been invited to join a chest/breastfeeding support group at work. I find myself keen to join on the one hand, in order to be supportive of other mums as our workplace doesn't make it easy. But on the other hand use of the term chestfeeding is bizarre and undermines women-who-try-&-breastfeed's struggles and invisibility and bigotry. We are not yet at a stage of being out and proud and breastfeeding, as a society, and now the act/women sees to be being undermined in a different way, through language. I don't even really follow what chest feeding is or who 'chestfeeds'!

Please help me navigate this? Should I say something of my concerns in the office? Am I over reacting? I do not want people to feel hurt or excluded but breastfeeding is so hard I do think we should be making it about women until they are not ostracised for it, have the support they need etc

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Pratchet · 20/05/2018 20:01

It's an effort to destroy any language pertaining specifically to female functions.

YesILikeItToo · 20/05/2018 19:58

Nina the transwomen are people who are transitioning from male to female, the transmen are the people transitioning from female to male. It’s easy to remember if you just think about what the person would want you to say about them - if they want to be seen as a man, they’re the transmen.

I originally thought the chestfeeding thing was about transwomen, but I’m sure now it’s not. I think it’s about trying to neutralise the role of sex in infant feeding and if anything is more of an issue for the transmen.

OlennasWimple · 20/05/2018 19:45

"I'm confused - what is chestfeeding?"

Kyanite · 20/05/2018 19:40

It should still be "breast", this is just to avoid upsetting transwomen who haven't had implants but they still do have breasts.

For example, men can have breast cancer, it's not chest cancer - www.nhs.uk/conditions/breast-cancer-in-men/

nNina22 · 20/05/2018 19:40

I’m getting confused with the terminology
transwoman snd transman - which is which?

DearSergio · 20/05/2018 19:38

Chestfeeding is just factually incorrect. I've breastfed 4 babies, had matisis more times than I can remember, and there's no way you could confuse mastitis with a chest infection?! Do all medical facts count for sweet FA now?

whoputthecatout · 20/05/2018 19:35

Bloody ridiculous. If it's about trans men and they are feeding a baby then they are breast feeding.

And if it's about trans women perhaps they should realise that men get breast cancer, not chest cancer.

Utterly laughable - if it wasn't so precious and sad.

Pratchet · 20/05/2018 19:32

Yy backlash, planned for years

LoislovesStewie · 20/05/2018 19:27

Are we heading for some weird Victorian morality where we can't say a normal word such as breastfeeding, but have to be happy with other situations where women are shunned for being born female. I wonder if it's not part of a backslash against women in general, yet again we are at the bottom of the pile.

reallyanotherone · 20/05/2018 19:19

Kyanite- it still isn’t chestfeeding though.

The milk, even if stimulated through a drug regimen, is still being made by breast tissue, under the nipple. It is the same process in every individual. Therefore it is still breastfeeding, whether by biological man or woman, whatever sex they present as.

Pratchet · 20/05/2018 18:42

They're not dysphoric, they're just precious.

Kyanite · 20/05/2018 18:42

A 30-year-old transgender woman has been able to breastfeed her child, the first ever case of induced lactation in a transgender woman to be documented in academic literature.

The patient took a gradually increasing regimen of the female hormones progesterone and estradiol, stimulated her chest with a breast milk pump, and took domperidone, a nausea medication known to increase milk production.

www.theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/14/transgender-woman-breastfeed-health

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 20/05/2018 18:40

If they are so fragile that the word breast was triggering and reminding them they are biologically women, why the hell would they have had a baby and be breastfeeding anyway

This^ I genuinely dont understand how a word triggers them, but the action does not Hmm

OP, I'd go with PPs suggestion and innocently ask wtf chest feeding is.

Pratchet · 20/05/2018 18:35

I would say breastfeeding a lot and if they say chestfeeding say 'you mean breastfeeding?'

Ereshkigal · 20/05/2018 18:33

So I agree with going in and very disingenuously asking them to explain chest- feeding. Big smiles, very interested. Get them to hoist themselves by their own petards, as it were

YY, that's exactly the way to play it.

IdentifiesAsMiddleAged · 20/05/2018 18:32

Do you think most people have heard of chestfeeding? I don't think so, myself

So I agree with going in and very disingenuously asking them to explain chest- feeding. Big smiles, very interested. Get them to hoist themselves by their own petards, as it were

reallyanotherone · 20/05/2018 18:30

Isn't this aimed at the sensibilities of trans men , not trans women?

Fuck knows. I thought it was exclusionary to transwomen to refer to breastfeeding and remind them that they can’t if they don’t have female breasts?

LassWiADelicateAir · 20/05/2018 18:11

So he ok to offend women but God forbid we offend men

Fairly certain "chest feeding" is used to avoid offending trans men, not biological men.

Picassospaintbrush · 20/05/2018 18:10

Sorry Sengah, I'm paranoid.

Whwhywhy · 20/05/2018 18:07

Sheldon? You’ve lost me.

Sengah · 20/05/2018 18:01

No I haven't disappeared just busy sorry. Thanks for the responses everyone. I guess I am not alone in my instinctive reaction of confusion/ irritation. I will give some more thought how to respond. @expectediteminthebraggingarea the support is really because you encounter a different set of issues returning to work than in the early days of e.g, latching. Pumping, feeling confident to leave your desk for breaks, scheduling meetings around need to pump, being pressured to travel for work etc.

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InfiniteSheldon · 20/05/2018 17:54

So he ok to offend women but God forbid we offend men (let's remember if transwomen are Afghanistan then transient are actual men). And men can breastfeed just the same as women because we all have breast tissue. I'd refuse to attend anything called breastfeeding and tell them why. It's exclusionary and offensive.

Picassospaintbrush · 20/05/2018 17:50

Another thread where the OP disappears. It's like offense farming.

Penfold007 · 20/05/2018 17:49

My DSF died a couple of weeks ago. The secondary cause of death was breast cancer. Breast not chest because male bodies do, indeed, have breast tissue. Like ILoveDolly's DF all DSF's medication, advice leaflets etc etc came with a little pink bows on them.
Every time I went to his appointments with him the staff assumed I was the one with breast cancer, not him. He just had to poke up with it and he did with great grace.

Alicatz66 · 20/05/2018 17:27

Oh lord .. you lot sound like a fun group !!! .. just stay at home and breastfeed
( yes .. I have children )