Trans women

Reading through this, I feel like a member of that well-known minority group, The Round Earther Society.

A lifetime of conditioning coupled with fear. Sounds like the trans experience, either way.

It’s a vague statement that only makes sense when you relate it to specific circumstances

You could use those words to explain pretty much anything - school shooters, dogs with behavioural problems, failure of peaceful process in Middle East.

A lifetime of conditioning coupled with fear. Sounds like the trans experience, either way.

Why is that for women to deal with? Who do you think trans identified males are afraid of?

Christ it was like TRA bingo on this thread overnight. Brains in the wrong body, the lot. The OP was asking about why transwomen are focused on so much more than transmen..... well this thread shows why. Did the conversation continue about the needs and concerns of and for transmen? Nope. It was taken over by the TWAW brigade. Women were not listened to and repeatedly told they were wrong for protecting their boundaries. And Curry is invisible again, because her personal narrative doesn’t fit the TRA agenda.

“I was just having a debate”.... well, this isn’t a philosophical exercise, this isn’t debate club. This is about the safety and well-being of real people. A transwoman literally just shared her truth and was ignored because it didn’t fit with the feminist-bashing agenda.

"Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them." - Margaret Atwood (paraphrased).

Feminists aren't really all that interested in debating if women have too many rights because we don't think women have enough rights, you see.
So while it is an intellectual exercise to some, for women it is a matter of life and death.

That's a rather disnigenuous comment, Pseudonymium!

I repeat, most of the women here stand for the safety, dignity and autonomy of women.

PINS (Pre-Incident Indicators) Forced Teaming. This is when a person implies that they have something in common with their chosen victim, acting as if they have a shared predicament when that isn't really true. Speaking in "we" terms is a mark of this, i.e.

Wow!,

I’ll leave now. I was just having a debate. Didn’t mean to scare you.

I asked the same question earlier. Who gets to decide? Who are you to decide women’s boundaries.
Surely an open debate is healthy. No aggressive language required.

Google is your friend. I am not.

Don’t know what forced teaming is.
Please explain.

Who the fuck are you to decide women's boundaries? Fuck off, I prefer to fight for women's rights to decide their own boundaries.

And that goes for our trans sisters too.

Your forced teaming tactics are setting off all my alarms.

Did the OP 'plop plop and run'?
Or just switch usernames to Nogods?

Genuine question btw.

And that goes for our trans sisters too.

Never submit

Tolerance is not submission.

Tolerance is the ability or willingness to tolerate the existence of opinions or behaviour that one dislikes or disagrees with.

Submission is the action of accepting or yielding to a superior force or to the will or authority of another person.

Don’t submit,

Your arguments have not convinced me to become less tolerant.

In every interaction between men and women the men push constantly to move women's tolerance to submission.
That is what is being done here.

FFS Pipsicle Bunce had me snorting and

What is pipsicle Bunsen?

Just made me actuallylaugh loud enough to wake DH

I did not want this to turn into a personal attack type forum. I responded and even questioned when I did not understand your posts. Your arguments have not convinced me to become less tolerant.

I’m concerned with the rights of all people equally.
I recognise the need for safe female spaces.
I extend the definition of woman to welcome all women and the definition of man to include all men.
I condemn violence in all its forms.

Moat of us here are concerned with the rights of women and girls.

Pseudonymium

Like so many before you the demand for empathy goes in one direction only. You don't even bother to respond to what we say to you.

Why cool bro?

Just ask yourself! If a colleague of yours who you had worked closely with for 5 years told you in confidence on a night out that she was a trans woman. Would you expect her to stop using the ladies room?

Please stop talking to us as though we are so effing ignorant and unaware of our surroundings that we can't tell a male from a female.

We see you. You believe that we do not. You are wrong.