Trans women

do you think then that it would be ok for a 10 year old boy to be seeing a vagina?

Where do you think this would be likely to happen in a sex segregated public place?

This is the Feminism and Women's Rights section of MN so what we focus on is Feminism and Women's Rights.

This is viewed as an act of hatred by misogynists, the MRAs and transgender male advocates.

Firstly, I wouldn't say people on here hate transwomen - it is more that there is concern about ramifications of various legal changes and how these impact on women's rights, particularly as the Government want to remove the process that is currently in place which means that transpeople require a diagnosis of gender dysphoria and 2 years living as if they were the opposite sex/gender before they can legally change their sex/gender. Instead anyone will just be able to complete a form ('self ID').

I do worry about the increasing numbers of transmen and worry that it is something that I could have got sucked into as a non-confirming teen and later regretted.

But otherwise the issues are not really the same. With transwomen being allowed access to women-only spaces we have to worry about what happens if men pose as trans to enter. It's not really a problem with genuine transwomen, but it can be hard to distinguish transwomen from men with nefarious purposes. This is already happening - eg the predator who posed as trans to abuse women at refuges in Canada. This is particularly a concern if self ID comes in as then any man can legally become a woman without making any changes (see Ibi-Pippi Hedegaard in Denmark where self ID has been brought in) and have a legal right to enter eg women's toilets. Men commit 98% of sexual assaults so it is obvious why women want segregated spaces for eg communal changing. Men fundamentally don't see women as a threat so don't have the same need for protected segregated spaces.

Also female sports are an issue. Transmen have no advantage over men, but transwomen have a clear advantage in many sports over women. Recent cases like Laurel Hubbard suggest that women's sports are in danger of becoming meaningless.

There are other issues but those are two of the major ones.

You won't be shot down, necessarily, for asking such a question. But you will hear some robust, reasoned responses.

As you already have received.

I don't believe either sex can change to the opposite sex - but women's spaces are the ones being encroached upon - by men identifying as women - so that is what I predominantly concern myself with. For myself, but mostly for my 10yr old daughter. Who shouldn't see an adult penis in changing rooms.

It's not about trans people in isolation. It's about removing sex based rights and protections for women.

Transmen don't impact that (unless they are activists for transwomen).

Only transwomen are a threat to women's sex based protection. Because it ignores the inherent power dynamic between men and women.

Men won't feel threatened if a woman is sent to their prison or wants to compete against them in men's sports, etc. It's only a problem the other way round.

2nd rule of misogyny: Women saying no to men is a hate crime.

"a simple question clearly there is a lot of hate for men wanting to be women, " - no there isn't.

"Do you also frown upon this or is it ok and for what reason?" - people don't frown on people being transgender.

Biological women self ID-ing as men won’t create any loopholes that might put people in danger, they’re not going to disadvantage anyone in sports or any other sex based separation, they’re not asking to get into spaces where people more physically vulnerable than them are...

There may well be issues about them being in men only spaces, but if it bothers men they need to be the ones thinking about it.