Trans women

Terfulike Basically why do most trans women want to be models and most trans men want to be soldiers. It makes no sense based on what you're saying. To me it looks like they think they can only be a real soldier as a man or a real model as a woman

But there are plenty of females in the military, in the us and uk, including the Marines. Lots of examples on youtube as you probably know.

Many more than trans people. Why would a woman think she needs to be a man to be a soldier when there are all these different female solider role models? Gay, straight, feminine, butch.That makes less sense to me. For a natal female to feel they have to be a man to be a soldier I think that is more likely to be because of an underlying gender identity of male, given that there are such alternative role models.

Will no one tell me why transwomen are never against the beauty industry. They always slap it on

Is that an incel comment? No.

Bunce! Pipsicle Bunce!

Loving Pipsicle Bruce

Well there you are then. "I'll support you masquerading as one of us but you'll never truly be a part of our community/group"

Yes, being honest, that's how most women feel.

Apologies bunce

Pseudonymium

Are you suggesting that transvestites and drag queens want to become women? If so you are wrong.

The men on this ongoing Mumsnet thread are AGP. Do you categorise that as gender dysphoria or a transvestite fetish?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3101834-trans-widows-escape-committee

@Pseudonymium Sun 20-May-18 01:11:58
It is what sex means, and when everything is in alignment a woman has a female body that’s fertile, is attracted to men (not all men) and has never questioned whether she’s a woman.
A man has a male body, is attracted to women (no quite all women) and has never questioned whether he’s a man.
But sometimes things don’t align.

Where do gay people fit into that neat theory?

You don’t see them because you already accept them as women. This is the reality for most trans women. They are not interested in political activism. They just want to live their lives as the women they have struggled to become, and forget about their former misfortunes.

Pseudo
That's exactly what I think eg Pipsicle Bruce

I can't imagine how distressing it is for a boy to start having periods and breast development. I can, however, imagine how distressing it is for many girls, myself included, to have these things happen to them.

Puberty is, for many teenagers, fucking distressing

But having a distressing puberty, not wanting to have body changes and hormone surges, doesn't mean a teenager is trans. It means that puberty is fucking distressing.

I'm a woman who would much rather have been a man. But I wasn't because of biology.

That comment by Pseudonymium:
It is what sex means, and when everything is in alignment a woman has a female body that’s fertile, is attracted to men (not all men) ......

Is that an incel comment? (Incel =Involuntarilyy celibate male)? A group of men who are known to hate women enough to kill them?

All transgender people suffer sender dysphasia

Not according to trans activists.

In fact suggesting that one has to have dysphoria in order to be trans would be considered very transphobic of you.

I like your username @Pseudonymium. It fits you perfectly.

All transgender people suffer sender dysphasia. Are you suggesting that transvestites and drag queens want to become women? If so you are wrong. Unless they also summer with gender dysphasia, most transvestites and drag queens identify as men and would not wish to change their gender.

They too can tell you which sex they are, but their bodies contradict them.

I'm a transwoman and I can pretty confidently tell you that my sex is male. No amount of surgery or hormones will change that either.

Can you imagine how distressing it is for a girl to grow a beard and have her voice break, or a boy to start having periods and breast development.

Considering those things are impossible then I'm going to say that it would be very distressing. It would also be a medical wonder.

She just has the misfortune to be born with a male body.

My male body was never a misfortune.

I might have felt like it was but it was my thought processing that was wrong.

My body however was never wrong.

She will tell you that if only you’ll listen.

Some transwomen will tell you this.

Lots however will not.

I'm a transwoman and I will certainly not tell anyone this because it is neither my truth or something I can relate to or recognise.

Transwomen are not a hive mind. We are all individuals with our own feelings, thoughts, opinions and reasons for choosing to/needing to go down this path.

Crusoe

Feeling like Robinson crushed here. Are my points really not worth addressing?

We need some transwomen who have read the beauty myth and stopped supporting the way women are told they must look. But we always get the stereo types

Truth I think my point was that I don't believe the majority of people would laugh at these trans men as you suggested. I think in day to day life if they hadn't been 'out' then most people would just have taken them as men. And even knowing their histories I think they are respected by their colleagues, male and female. Perhaps I have too much faith in human nature, or maybe just more than you do.

It is what sex means, and when everything is in alignment a woman has a female body that’s fertile, is attracted to men (not all men) and has never questioned whether she’s a woman.
A man has a male body, is attracted to women (no quite all women) and has never questioned whether he’s a man.

But sometimes things don’t align.

Exactly truth will
We need examples of the blue rinse brigade transwomen.
We need examples of fifty something transwomen like me. Who slob around without makeup but you never see them.