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Consultation on Self ID to progress

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Pratchet · 18/05/2018 10:32

Whatever is motivating these female MPs to undermine women's rights, the battle to preserve our spaces is about to get very busy indeed.

A woman is an adult female human, of the sex that gestates and bears young. I am Spartacus. Women rise #wegotthis

Consultation on Self ID to progress
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HotRocker · 18/05/2018 13:28

@Scarlet
I think what they mean is that women’s organisations and refuges will be consulted about how transpeople will be affected. I reckon I could bet my savings on that.

Noqonterfy · 18/05/2018 13:24

I'm all for crowdfunding.

ChattyLion · 18/05/2018 13:22

if EHRC is going to be giving further legally based guidance in this area I wonder if they might wait until that is published first?

ChattyLion · 18/05/2018 13:20

Agree, will be interesting to see what this looks like if and when it comes out.

ScarletBegonias · 18/05/2018 13:18

On who will be consulted - I wrote to my MP (a well-known cabinet minister) about Self ID last month. The reply I got included this:

"The consultation on the reform of the Gender Recognition Act will be a wide and open consultation, and I know the Government Equalities Office wants to hear from all stakeholders, including women's groups and refuges."

And the letter ended with this:

"I am assured that Ministers will consider further evidence and representation from all affected parties before taking any future policy decisions, and I would encourage you to contribute to the consultation when it opens."

Standard wording, no doubt; but the Government is at least saying that it wants to hear from a wide range of interested parties.

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Pratchet · 18/05/2018 13:05

Also would contribute to legal challenge Smile

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Pratchet · 18/05/2018 13:03

Thanks Scarlet, very helpful.

I think Penny Mordaunt may be made of sterner stuff. She'd better consult women, because I voted Tory on the grounds they were abandoning this. I know my area and I guarantee that if this goes to Self ID, this council and this constituency is lost to the Conservatibes.

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HotRocker · 18/05/2018 12:51

I would contribute to a legal challenge. The problem is, in order to raise enough money for that we need people to know that it’s actually happening. Legal challenges cost an awful lot of money, way beyond the means of any of us I would imagine.

Ereshkigal · 18/05/2018 12:24

Let's see what they put out.

Terfulike · 18/05/2018 12:22

I'm all for crowd funding a legal challenge too

Ereshkigal · 18/05/2018 12:18

That IMO is not a consultation fit for purpose and could be challenged legally.

Terfulike · 18/05/2018 12:14

It means they'll consult with mermaids, stonewall and Stephen Whittle

LizzieSiddal · 18/05/2018 12:08

When they say “public consultation”, what does that actually mean?

ShotsFired · 18/05/2018 12:04

Thanks OP. This gives me a clear reason to nudge my (anti GRA) MP again.

HotRocker · 18/05/2018 11:49

I’ve just said this on another thread. We need a media campaign to tell people what is happening and how it will affect them. People can’t disagree with it at the moment because they have no idea that it’s going on. We need to get the word out in the most widely read media outlets. I suggested that we might crowd fund some ads in the tabloids. They need to be pitched right, not anti trans but concerned about women and girls. At least if we get out there people can make up their own minds.

Ereshkigal · 18/05/2018 11:29

It needs to be a public consultation of all stakeholders and interested parties which is fit for purpose, not a fait accompli, and if it isn't I think we need to look at crowdfunding a legal challenge.

Baroquehavoc · 18/05/2018 11:28

Given the importance TRAs attach to 'no debate', the public consultation may present a good opportunity to bring all this to wider attention.

I agree. TRA are relying on no debate to push this through.

If nothing else women and girls need to be made aware that they are allowed to have sex segregation. That needs to be highlighted at every opportunity.

ScarletBegonias · 18/05/2018 11:17

For anyone wondering - on current plans, the House of Commons rises for the summer recess on 24 July.

ScarletBegonias · 18/05/2018 11:15

The commitment to launch the consultation was slightly weaker than Dawn Butler had it.

Victoria Atkins, Minister for Women, is actually recorded in Hansard as saying: "We are analysing the responses of trans people in the LGBT survey, and we are aiming to launch the consultation before the summer recess."

If I remember rightly, the government was originally aiming to launch the consultation last autumn. That said, they have been under a lot of pressure to publish and I doubt the government would feel comfortable with another postponement.

Given the importance TRAs attach to 'no debate', the public consultation may present a good opportunity to bring all this to wider attention.

UpstartCrow · 18/05/2018 10:41

No one can explain why they are so determined to push this forwards, just that its 'progress'.

Where the fuck have they been for the last 5 decades when women needed this kind of progress?