Legal self-id - what are the problems?

No one is going to eject 'men' from anywhere for fear of being accused of being transphobic.

Erasing sex classes in favour of 'gender identity' is misogynistic.

Transgender advocates have been trying for years to take over Feminism the same way they took over the LGBT spaces and places.

Right now there is an obvious effort to make FWR all transgender issues all the time with these JAQing off threads. It is an opportune time since the data breach by a transgender advocate drove so many women out of FWR and off MN out of fear of what the transgender advocates would do to them.
I may be telling you what you already know. If so, I beg your pardon.

And you might as well stop there, not a single shiny shit is given.

In the context of a predator, someone who makes a declaration that they intend to live as a woman until they die, when they actually intend to live as "blatantly male" makes a false declaration.

How do you live in a ‘blatantly male’ way?

The problem is that in the limited number of cases where women and men need separate services/protections/rights/opportunities, they are needed because of unavoidable physical differences, not an abstract, subjective concept of identity.

Why provide any service for any group that can’t be clearly defined? Why recognise the consequences of having female biology if anyone can be female?

This isn’t just a legal change, it’s an endorsement of the idea that you can divide the world into feminine and masculine people, with no regard for real, tangible differences like the penalties that women pay for having periods or pregnancy.

The GRA doesn’t apply to sports, but schools and amateur groups are already under pressure to ignore sex and group according to gender.

We need to have an open discussion about why it is sometimes necessary to group people by sex, and how the needs of all parties can be met. That isn’t happening and instead there is a pretence that there are no competing needs because nothing needs to change as ‘trans women are women’.

Today if someone who is "blatantly male" is in a female space (e.g. a changing room) you call the police. The offender is arrested for voyeurism and/or exposure.

Not true.
There's no law stopping any bloke using a women's changing room or loo.

There are laws preventing voyeurism or whatever but obviously they need access to commit those crimes in the first place.
We stop these crimes being comitted by saying "excuse moi this is pour les femmes only" and we expect them to leave.

If you can't say this then you just have to
risk it, then call the police after something has happened, by which time you have no evidence anyway, you get laughed at by the police they say you shouldn't have worn such a short skirt and it's all a joke and it's all too late.

Picasso this is why I asked about what they teach for GCSE human biology.

@sarahar I'm a big fan of crime being recorded by biological sex and reported as such after conviction. Trans women are overrepresented amongst imprisoned sex offenders and this is partly because trans offenders of both sexes continue to display the violence patterns of their birth sex even after transition. In order to understand why males are sexually violent, we have to be able to name and identify male violence, and we can't do that when some of the violent males are being logged as violent females (which they aren't, trans women are biologically male). It's also of vital importance that female prisoners, many of whom are already sexual violence victims, are kept safe from sexual victimisation by trans-identifying male sex offenders who could request transfer to the female prison estate. Safe prison accommodation for trans women should be within the male prison estate or in separate units and should not be created by putting female prisoners at risk.

If your 11 year old daughter sees and adult penis in the changing room how does she know whether the person is a) a self id transwomen or b) a flasher?

Picassospaintbrush
Absolutely spot on. I wish everyone would understand this. This is the problem. It has very little to do with transsexual people, as many of them are beginning to realise.

@SarahAr

Today if someone who is "blatantly male" is in a female space (e.g. a changing room) you call the police. The offender is arrested for voyeurism and/or exposure.In a world of legal self-id the same happens. The only difference is they are also arrested for making a false statutory declaration - and could have a further 2 years added to their existing sentence. (The maximum sentences for voyeurism and exposure is 2 years for each offence)

You missed the bit where the woman making the complaint is accused of a 'hate crime' by being 'transphobic' and is hauled in for questioning by the police. Have you seen what happened to @therealposieparker and Linda Bellos?

Who do they make the declaration to, and how do you know if they made it? Will your changing room attendant at Next be able to phone up a register to check Whether Alex Smith has declared him/herself to be a woman. Will all women have to declare their status as well, and also men?

You really, really dont get it.
The GRA has gatekeeping and self ID doesnt.

You think that you can phone the police, say a man who identifies as a woman is causing a problem, and they'll attend.
They wont touch that call with a ten foot bargepole for fear of being sued.
They'll say the same thing they have said to women living with DV for decades; until he harms you, we cant do anything.

SarahAr you do realise that men with "blatantly male" bodies will be able to self id as women and use women's facilities don't you?

Self ID has become a bit of a sign post for the whole push for gender identity replacing biological sex.

By eliminating sex, gender makes the word female meaningless as it applies to males and females. That is a big fundamental.

This is the chasm. Trying to pick off all the concerns one by one is missing this underlying fundamental.

The drive to do this is from cross dressing men and this has been going on for decades.

If they can get rid of any need for a dysphoria diagnosis, AGP is legally female, they can go anywhere, do anything, and it's all fine.

They are not interested in you SarahAR.

It is happening already, MPs are being softened up by cross dressers - see Phil Bunce, a heterosexual man who is now the 2018 LGBT person of the year for his fetish, chatting away in Parliament in a wig and with fake breasts down his dress, and with Stonewall telling everyone he really is a woman, once or twice a week.

It is deliberate - see this paper written by Whittle, it's a massive sleight of hand, a confidence trick, a wool over the eyes job.

We have been lied to and manipulated. It stinks. We are not happy.

socresonline.org.uk/12/1/whittle.html

In the context of a predator, someone who makes a declaration that they intend to live as a woman until they die, when they actually intend to live as "blatantly male" makes a false declaration.

How do you 'live as a woman'? As far as I know, there is no legal definition for this.

And indeed not just cancer but other diseases too - was typing before formulating my thoughts entirely. Totally exhausting day with the kids...

Yes, the statistics for certain types of cancer will be interesting. There might be a big rise in the number of women with prostate cancer, for example. Of course, in this case it can be easily seen how trans will skew things but for other cancers it could affect the ability to properly target drugs / treatments (if you can't rely on large databases to separate out the biological sexes it affects your ability to do epidemiological analysis and identify any statistically significant ways in which the sexes differ with regard to morbidity)

How could anyone "be arrested for making a false statutory declaration" when you are whatever you say you are?

In a world of legal self-id the same happens. The only difference is they are also arrested for making a false statutory declaration - and could have a further 2 years added to their existing sentence. (The maximum sentences for voyeurism and exposure is 2 years for each offence)

How? How can it be proved that someone "blatantly male" does not identify as female? Apparently beards and penises can be female now. So we're being told.

Anyone will be able to say they identify as the opposite sex, and be legally treated as such.

The only difference is they are also arrested for making a false statutory declaration - and could have a further 2 years added to their existing sentence.

What would be false about their statutory declaration?

Plus eveything ophelia said, particularly regarding changes to cultural norms.