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Parliament debate on homophobia today, tweet MP if you would like lesbian voices to be represented

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Wanderabout · 17/05/2018 07:46

Peter Kyle MP is opening the debate. If you agree with the concerns of some lesbians, highlighted in the article below, you may want to tweet him and ask him to make sure your concerns on lesbophobia and the range of lesbian voices and concerns are represented in the discussion. You could also tweet/contact your own MP.

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/the-silencing-of-the-lesbians/

there's a backbench debate on “homophobia, transphobia and biphobia” which will offer some clues about how willing MPs are to acknowledge the complexity of the gender debate and the interests of the different people and groups concerned. Perhaps some of the things I’ve mentioned here will be raised. Perhaps."

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SonicVersusGynaephobia · 17/05/2018 21:21

Christ. That is #NoDebate

Picassospaintbrush · 17/05/2018 21:20

16:45 Dawn Butler says we have fallen from #1 in Europe for LGBT rights four years ago to #4 now and that the governments delay on the GRA has created a "hostile environment for the LGBT+ community"

I heard that and thought it was a very a revealing thing to say, all the the focus is on T. She is not hearing or being fed anything else. And she has been fed the S28 line. I wonder who that will get blamed on?

JoanSummers · 17/05/2018 21:05

16:49 "I don't want to argue about this, I just want to move us forward" - Is this the parliamentary version of #nodebate?

The whole bit between 16:45 and 16:50 is chilling imo.

JoanSummers · 17/05/2018 20:45

Continues "and on some social media site there is talk about reintroducing Section 28 for trans people. We must not let that happen."

JoanSummers · 17/05/2018 20:43

Butler "Some of the language used especially around trans issues is very reminiscent of the language used in defence used about Section 28 decades ago" 16:46

JoanSummers · 17/05/2018 20:38

16:45 Dawn Butler says we have fallen from #1 in Europe for LGBT rights four years ago to #4 now and that the governments delay on the GRA has created a "hostile environment for the LGBT+ community"

JoanSummers · 17/05/2018 20:11

16:40 figures from Stonewall that a third of trans uni students have experienced negative conduct from staff in the past year, followed by a repeat of the 45% trans teenager suicide attempt stat.

JoanSummers · 17/05/2018 20:06

Hannah Bardell, SNP, starts with a quote from Hillary Clinton. It is really interesting that it's the Clintons who our MPs are holding up here, not any home grown LG activists.

Lots of mentions of Stonewall throughout though, as having fought for LGBT rights for 30 years I think. Didn't they only just add the T when Ruth Hunt took over?

The comparisons to homophobia against LG and transphobia against T have been a theme throughout, the people making them clearly see homophobia as being yesterday's battle (in the UK) and trans being their own today. And yet, and yet, all the examples of homophobia are of rights abuses like denial of right to choose a partner or get married, and outside of the UK of incredible violence. When they talk about trans it's about self harm and tweets. It's a difference that can't help but stand out.

JoanSummers · 17/05/2018 19:58

He says there are 300,000 trans people "or thereabouts" in the UK and that they need better representation, repeats that we have a very gay friendly parliament and we need to "move forward" and have a trans friendly parliament

JoanSummers · 17/05/2018 19:39

He says she recieves hundreds and hundreds of these tweets every week

JoanSummers · 17/05/2018 19:38

16:36 Lloyd Russel-Moyle, Labour talking about Sophie Cook being assaulted and abused via twitter. He reads out a transphobic tweet that uses the T word a lot.

Mumsnut · 17/05/2018 19:32

Kirkup needs to do an article on that statistic

JoanSummers · 17/05/2018 19:30

Crispin Blunt saying the GRA consultation is urgent and needs to include non binary.

At 16:25 he is talking about a campaign of transphobic misinformation. He is directly comparing this to section 28.

JoanSummers · 17/05/2018 19:26

16:23 Crispin Blunt talking about the GRA and how they are committed to doing this consultation

JoanSummers · 17/05/2018 19:23

Sorry not a general 'people', she specifically says 45% of trans school pupils in the UK

JoanSummers · 17/05/2018 19:21

Christine Jardine, LibDem 16:22 - says 45% of trans people attempt suicide

JoanSummers · 17/05/2018 19:08

Dawn Butler speaks in this a bit later, there was a mention of the false suicide stat and I'm looking for who gave it first.

We are in for a big fight here over the GRA consultation, the people pushing it are zealots, but they see themselves as heroes.

LangCleg · 17/05/2018 19:06

Dawn Butler referred to a social media platform where there were calls for a new section 28.

She did what?!

JoanSummers · 17/05/2018 19:05

I think twice Doughty referred to 'homophobia transphobia and biphobia' as "three evils" and this is what I mean, constantly working to tie these things together.

flintyminty · 17/05/2018 19:04

Just noticed Gender Recognition Act trending on Twitter. Looks like government expecting to launch consultation by end of July. Dawn Butler and LM already tweeting about it.

JoanSummers · 17/05/2018 19:02

Stephen Doughty starts talking about trans rights at 15:47

Before this it is striking how nearly everything spoken about is really specific to the LG but the T still has to be tagged on as if it suffers the same discrimination and oppression. The LG who have criticisms of the T and want to pull away, we need to lift up those voices and make it as clear as possible that they are very different.

JoanSummers · 17/05/2018 18:46

The way they all talk comes across as so insincere

JoanSummers · 17/05/2018 18:46

Chats about how lgbt are essential to the army, some funny bits here; says govt is the least homophobic place he has ever worked and he hopes that soon it can be as friendly to trans people; sas unis need to learn lessons bc statistics abt a third of trans ppl saying they've been harassed.

Now talking about Pride and plugging Brighton Pride, he can't control his smugness about Britney Spears coming to that.

Picassospaintbrush · 17/05/2018 18:44

She got the dog whistle out.

R0wantrees · 17/05/2018 18:42

Dawn Butler referred to a social media platform where there were calls for a new section 28.